Difference between narcissism and NPD?

by **number230000** » Thu Jan 23, 2020 9:22 pm

justonemoreperson wrote:
number230000 wrote:When I asked the psy why she thought my NPD was more severe than BPD, she said it's because BPD need people...

I don't understand that statement. NPD people thrive on attention and require others for their own self-worth. I can't see how they would need people less; probably more.

Yes but other than that they can be as detached as schizoids, and even more so in regards to genuine attachment to people. I also have schizoid and paranoid traits (disorders?) too, both of which are characterized by a turning away from people rather than seeking a relationship. Perhaps she was referring more to these traits than NPD itself.

My Username wrote:Those with NPD are quite a bit different than plain old narcissists. Some easy ways to differentiate..

NPD
- Lacks empathy - sees no wrong in personally attacking others, or completely ignoring you
- Being told "no" comes off as a personal attack
- Is oblivious to his own disorder
- Treats others as sub-human, but sees it as "they way it should be"
- Has few friends
- Is asocial when no attention from others is available

Basically, NPD is narcissism in all aspects of life - it is all pervasive. It is woven into the personality of the individual, and no amount of love or introspection can change their own opinion about their god-like self.

Yes, people can have it worse than others. Narcissism (most all college kids) is very common, especially in fields like law and business. NPD however, is quite unique. Some will argue NPD is on a spectrum with psychopathy, the psychopath being "very narcissistic".

But i understand why you ask.. NPD is very hard to spot. They are slick, kind, charming, whatever they need to be to get you to respect them. Your average narcissist will look like an a$$hole standing next to someone with NPD who is trying to make a good impression. Most with NPD do not come out from behind the mask until they are very close to you.

They guard their inner world every second of every day. They are directing a movie in which they are the lead actor and the director. They manipulate their words, emotions, and thoughts in order to create a self that is ideal. They are utterly fake, but do not even know it. You will never see what is inside of them, until they act out in such a way that contradicts all that you thought they stood for.

this was one of my first accounts on pf.

by **saucygirl31** » Thu Jul 09, 2020 8:25 pm

yeah patience isn't really indicative of anything

people w npd are extremely pretentious and disregard other peoples feelings imo is the easiest differentiater.

by **justonemoreperson** » Fri Jul 10, 2020 7:58 am

saucygirl31 wrote:
people w npd are extremely pretentious and disregard other peoples feelings imo is the easiest differentiater.

People with few problems fall into this category. People get more socially interested when they're suffering.

by **saucygirl31** » Fri Jul 10, 2020 11:10 am

do u mean narcissists get more interested when others are suffering? if so i dont agree nor disagree. for me i like to stabd back and watch of even contribute behind the curtain but i dont like carrying the image of being a sadist.

but if we were alone in a room and u for whatever reason dont tell the cops thats different

by **justonemoreperson** » Fri Jul 10, 2020 6:28 pm

A narc would see more value in people when they need them, so is more likely to take consideration of their feelings, know that they need them on side. Almost like a rebellious teenager running home to his parents when things get tough, whereas before he had no concern for them.

by **DaturaInnoxia** » Sun Jul 12, 2020 10:13 am

Could anyone give a bit of an example (as opposed to only naming traits) of a vulnerable narcissist?

by **Esmoke** » Sun Jul 12, 2020 11:43 am

DaturaInnoxia wrote:Could anyone give a bit of an example (as opposed to only naming traits) of a vulnerable narcissist?

From what I know of them they are much closer in presentation to borderlines. They would also be more shy, introverted and reserved. They feel like the worlds biggest victims and their ‘supply’ if such a thing exists would come from people feeling sorry for or caring for them. Probably has a grandiose fantasy life though. Their is still grandiosity but tougher to spot and they are much more sensitive than a classic overt narcissist. Very low self esteem as well, well all narcissist have very low self esteem but VNPD it would be more obvious. I think I’d align more with this side of the scale myself but it’s common for people with NPD to slide up and down the scale between vulnerable and grandiose based on their mood and whether they are depressed. That’s the best understanding I have of the disorder

by **saucygirl31** » Tue Jul 14, 2020 1:28 pm

interesting that u say clinical narcissists can slide a scale and are more obviusy insecure than someone with healthy narcissism

although i guess it depends on how well you can spot these ppl to know which is more insecure

but in regards to the scale i think the change isnt as big as it seems like most people w npd probably stick more to their roles but just regroup in their alone time? instead of literally becoming "vulnerable" in all aspects?

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