was i a victim?

i've recently been researching mspb in trying to make sense of my own childhood

it seems there was a period of time in which my father was pretty much absent and in that time i was a very sick child

i remember more of my mother telling me how sick i was than actually being sick

i remember constantly missing school and going to doctors and having tests and nothing being wrong

not only physically but pyschologically

my mother is the constant caretaker and it seems whenever she is the caretaker of someone she is always getting attention for it

me the sick baby when i got older my sick grandmother and now my father who has had a complete menatl breakdown

i suspect i was a victim of mspb but how do i prove it

i have had many medical condions that can not be named tons of test for things i did not have

when i got older i stopped getting as sick but by that time i think i had started to develop psychopsomatic illness

my mother has always been almost happy when i am ill a little too eaget to care for me to the poitn that as i got older i began to fear telling her about it or even going to doctors

now as an adult i self injure
i think that i was a victim of msbp but i have no way to prove it and no one to talk about it with
its this horrible thing to acuse your mother of something like that

its a rare disorder and it doesnt seem like there is mmuch info out their or support

i just want to know what happened
if anyone has any advice on how i can find out more please let me know

that you got the above posting and found Julie Gregory's book SICKENED... don't be afraid to call a spade a spade, it really happens

I've been checking claims in Sickened just as TheSmokingGun.com did with A Million Little Pieces by James Frey.

I've obtained official documents from the USA, newspaper cuttings, birth and death certificates, SSD records, driver's licence, pension and employment records, war service records, obituaries and cemetery records, photographs of homes, of individuals, medical records and reports, holiday photographs, photographs of family celebrations and get-togethers, copies of correspondence and an independent assessment of the medical records published in the book.

So far, with what I've been able to garner, where it's possible to double-check claims in the book, these claims have been shown to be fabricated.

I have sent Random House US and UK the documentary evidence.

Jenny1471 wrote:Hello, do you have a therapist you could talk to about this? It may be good to talk about it with someone professional, who you can totally open up to with no repurcussions. It sounds like you have had a difficult time of it so if you start exploring your past, I would suggest you do it in a safe environment.

Maybe I could also recommend the book 'Sickened' by Julie Gregory. You say a lot of things in this post that remind me of Julie's past. Maybe it'd help detangle things a little for you. I would agree with you that there is not much help around for this illness. I have been searching on Amazon and have found a few books. Hopefully they'll be helpful - I will let you know.

Let us know how things are going?

Some disparities. first off: you did research and then are trying to "prove it". You mentioned trying to "prove it" twice in your post. Prove it to whom? Yourself? To others? Do you want to testify against your parents?
Also, brian said that sickened was fabriated? Where are reliable sources.

Finally, I am in a somewhat similar situation. My parents constantly try to convince me of disorders I don't have. There's a lot going on for me:
1)I'm trying to come to terms with what is real and what were some aliments I did have. Almost all of them were fictitious.

2)I'm trying to deall effectively and productively with the anger I have towards my parents.

3)I'm trying to discover a way how to deal with them. Should I tell them about their condition? They wouldn't believe it. Shouldn't I just walk away from them? Would expressing my feelings to them about being a victim of MBPS be the best thing to do?

4) I'm trying to move on effectively so that I don't develop the disorder myself.

Came across this 2 years since you posted, but......

I was watching Oprah today and her guest was some security expert who kept making the point that humans are the only species who regularly dismiss that "hmmmmm, something's not right" instinct for various reasons (don't want to offend, make waves, might come off as a bitch, yadda yadda). He pointed out the fact that that 6th sense is generally spot on.

Chances are, if you're pretty certain in your head that your parent may have been guilty of MBPS, there's a decent chance they were. Like most people who are somewhat certain and read this site, you will always question yourself and wonder what kind of monster you are for accusing a parent of such an atrocity.

Personally, I'll probably never be able to resolve it or know if MBSP was actually the case (it happened in the 70's), but all the signs, and Mom's psychological makeup, seem to indicate that it's likely (plus there's that pesky that 6th sense).

The thing you have to ask yourself, going forward, is does it really matter? Guessing you don't live with your folks anymore. You make your own decisions now (and I'm guessing it's not to be someone who poisons their family). While I don't agree with "forgiving", as it seems like you're giving them a pass, I whole heartedly believing in giving it up as something you'll probably never come to terms with (with whomever did it and the reasons why - like someone who could murder or torture kittens or turn down a million dollars), but something that isn't being done to you now, soooo....

Just be the kind of person you think people should be. Don't let the past influence the present.

Very few Muncher victims actually KNOW from a young age exactly what the MBP parent is doing to them and/or their siblings as it is happening (and experts do not know why this is so). I am one of the ones who did know, from the age of three. I then promptly told every single person I could get to listen what my mother was doing to me and to my siblings.

Since it was the 1950s, I constantly heard the refrain, "But mothers don't do things like that to their children," and called a "liar."

My mother then intensified her torture, abuse, and attempts to kill me. I know for a fact what my mother did to me, although I didn't realize that it had a name until much later in life.

Here are some signs about Munchers (as they're called by the medical establishment and law enforcement officials):

They do not start suddenly practicing on their children as parents: they were Munchausen's as children. Does your mother tell you of all the illnesses that she had when she was a child? Are they bizarre and unusual illnesses or accidents? Like, getting a thorn in the white of her eye when she stuck her head out the window of a moving car (one of my mother's stories)? I mean, what are the chances that a thorn, even if it were flying through the air and you did have your head stuck out the window of the car, would hit you exactly in the WHITE of your eye rather than in the larger area of your eye which you need to see with, i.e., the cornea and pupil?

Munchausen's is genetic. Do any of your maternal aunts, nieces, female cousins, or maternal grandmother practice Munchausen's or MBP? My sister's daughter showed signs of Munchausen's by the time she was three, and her older brothers, then aged only 6,8, & 10, laughed at her, saying, "She's always PRETENDING to be sick because mom treats her like a baby when she does." In other words, she was getting attention. When I was babysitting the 4 of them the weekend she tried it on me and I insisted that she go to bed if she was really feeling ill, refusing to "baby" her, she came out of the bedroom and glared at me with the exact same expression on her face that my mother used to have. I knew immediately that she, too, had Munchausen's. Though I have no contact with my family, one of her brothers recently contacted me (he found me by Googling my former name) to ask some questions about his birth father, whose name he did not know, and informed me that his sister still PRETENDS (his words) to be sick all the time and that he and his brothers don't like to spend any time with her, though his mother and her paternal grandmother take care of her all the time.

My mother's sister also had Munchausen's, then MBP, killing one of her children, which she blamed on SIDS, attempting to kill her other two children at other times (blaming it on "attempted suicides"), etc.

Your medical records will, indeed, help verify whether or not you were a victim.
However, if your intuition is telling you that you may be or may have been a victim, then I would strongly suggest that you get away from your mother asap. If you do not suffer from any illnesses after, say, three years without any contact from your mother, while you are obtaining therapy and concentrating on healing yourself, then I would say that you were a victim.

Your intuition is ALWAYS right. It is society that teaches us not to listen to it. It is our families, who often know the complete truth about the Muncher (as mine did) and choose to protect her rather than the child-victim (as mine did) who insist that our intuition is wrong. It is liars, criminals, pedophiles, etc. who tell us that our intuition is wrong because they are trying to hurt us.

Our intuition is trying to protect us.

Listen to your intuition. Honor what it is trying to tell you.

Healing on your path,
Constantinova