Does Munchausen Syndrome by Proxy exist?

It doesn't just happen with children, it happens with adults too, usually by care givers. It's sometimes a bit easier to track because when the person is stopped, it becomes very clear there was abuse there. Also adults can recognize that much easier then children, no matter how reluctant we are to believe it in the beginning. So yes, I believe it exists. So, by the way, do my doctor and my therapist.

That's not to say that I think it's the case every time some child is chronically ill, it does seem to spark witch hunts. I don't care what they call it, abuse is abuse, to children or adults.

funni_grl77 wrote:This by proxy disorder does exist. It is a serious form of child abuse. It is recognized by professionals in psychiatry. My step son is a victim of this terrible crime. His mother "made-up" symptoms to have doctors preform various tests-all for her benefit. He is 13 years old, and in the last 3 years has been to the hospital over 50 times and to the doctor over 100. She gives him enemas at home. He has had to endure 4 colonoscopies. The doctors have found nothing biologically wrong with him. His mother is a very sick woman. We are now in a custody battle, and because Munchausen by proxy has been used falsey in court battles, the court has no choice but to question the diagnosis, and send my step son and his mother to countless evaluations, all at the expense of my husband. We pursue this case because we know we are saving his life. Belive me, it exsists.

As a victim if MBPS myself, I have tremendous empathy. I am 23 now and recently discovered what has been going on. My suggestion is why not let the kid testify at trial? That would certainly make a solid case for the presence of the disorder in the "very sick woman" mother.

I do believe munchausers is very real I also believe i may have and still be a victim of munchausers.the problem with munchausers syndrome and diagnosing it is just as alot of parents are obsessed with the attantion sympathy an thrill they get from causing illness there is also the opposite where the child would like to believe they were victim of munchausers by proxy for the sympathy and attention an also a little thrill by telling doctors that he/she believes she may have been victim to munchausers by proxy for example someone with munchausers may tell a doctor he/she has a suspicious feeling about a parent.there are probably a few people on this forum claiming to be victim but are just in need of attention (and thats fine too that is also an illness) im not trying to offend by saying this only prove a point I believe there was a book called "child called it" a mans story about an abusive mother who got pleasure out of him being sick and in pain I dont know if its fictous or fact though I do think it was a form of munchausers by proxy although it could have been something completely different because I dint think she took him to doctors and faked symptoms it was more physical abuse though seems somewhat related

I am a victim of MSP. Mother convinced Doctors I was epileptic. The many decades of drugs have crippled me literally. My cerebellum is damaged my spinal cord is damaged and I am paralysed. I still have not found a Neurologist who treats the patient rather than treating the records. Psychiatrists are my worst enemy now for they refused to listen to what I was trying to tell them. They simply added more drugs

Im a survivor.

It exists... but it isn't as researched as it should be. I think the one form it takes (always with the doctors) is just one small vein in the way Munch-PBs function. My mom NEVER took me to doctors because she got confronted by a doctor for giving me Gang Green when I was three. But she still caused disease, she still went to dramatic and often ill consived lengths to 'heal' me.

Yes, MBP REALLY does exist. My mother has it. I was not her victim...my brother was. She has a rare form of the disorder that caused her to fabricate mental disorder in my brother instead of medical problems. My brother was taken to mental health professionals from the time he was five years old. I'm not really sure what he was diagnosed with first...maybe ADHD or something. By the time he was 6 he was being medicated. His drugs seemed to change all the time. By the time he was seven he was spending time as an inpatient in the hospital.

My mother convinced EVERYONE that my brother was severely disturbed. Mental health professionals, teachers, my father, my siblings and I were all convinced. The nature of the disorder is to be manipulative. She packed a huge knife in my brothers school bag and sent him to second grade with it...she then called the school and told them she was missing a kitchen knife. They searched all of my siblings bags and found the knife with my brother. He insisted he did not do it...but of course no one believed him. There are a million other things like that that I could mention...but I would not know where to stop.

Hearing people tell you that you did this and you told your mother that from so many people all the time...eventually he began to believe these lies. He could not hold on to his sense of reality because he was constantly either with my mother...or in the hospital.

Eventually all of my siblings and I were placed in foster care. My father who was very depressed and had not been going to hospital meetings about my brother now had to attend the meetings because he was required to by DSS. When he went to the hospital meeting he saw the list of allegations my mother had made against my brother and realized that most of it was not true...my mother made up almost all of this stuff. It said things like my brother assaulted us and that he tried to stab my mother etc. That was when it was realized my mother had MBP. She also fabricated medical problems in herself and has had unnecessary surgeries...she has a factitious disorder as well. She went to nursing school so that she would know how to do this...

THIS IS A VERY REAL DISORDER...it destroyed my family.

I am happy to find an online forum like this as I have never found one before. I'd really like to talk to people who have REAL experiences with this disorder...or any factitious disorder for that matter. It would be much appreciated.

Also in response to someone above mentioning "A Child Called It" I have read the book...there are actually three written by the same author...one about his childhood, one about his teenage years, and one about his adult life. The author is Dave Pelzer. Just to clarify...his mother did not have MBP...she was a very twisted woman who abused him horribly for his hole childhood. The abuse was focused on him...he had two brothers. She did lots of things to him...but none of it was MBP related. He was actually considered the third worst abuse case ever recorded in -I believe it was- the state of California. When he asked what happened to the other two children...the worst cases...he was told the children has died.

Munchausens by Proxy does exist and so do corrupt doctors it is not one or the other, it can be either.
So it complicates the MSBP investigation, but does not rule it out!

Even the experts have a difficult time determining the truth. Such is the level of deceit involved.

Yes, it exists.
I was a victim, as were all my brothers and sisters.
I survived.
Some of them didn't.
I knew what my Muncher mother was doing from the time I was three, though I didn't know it had a name.
I only knew that she was evil, that she enjoyed doing what she did to us, and that she would never stop, no matter how many people I told, no matter how many people I asked to save me and protect me from her.

How insulting that someone would dare ask victims if MBP exists.
How insulting that so many claim they have been falsely accused. My mother claimed that every single time I told someone what she was doing to me and my brothers.
All criminals insist that they're innocent.
Our prisons are filled with the innocent.
So are our death rows.

The question itself is demeaning.
So is the theory that its practitioners can be cured, healed, rehabilitated, reformed, changed, etc which many extremely misinformed doctors propagate, including some very famous ones.
Can pedophiles be cured or rehabilitated? Ask the families of Chelsea King and Amber DuBois and Somer Thompson.
Can serial killers be reformed or changed? Ask the families of Ted Bundy's, John Wayne Gacy's and Ed Gein's victims.

Can evil be eliminated in the world?

Not when its MBP practitioners get joy, pleasure, and an almost orgasmic satisfaction from inflicting pain, practicing torture on, and almost killing their victims to revive them, and, in the event that said victims aren't revived, receive boundless empathy, love, and sympathy from family, friends, co-workers, doctors, nurses, strangers on the sudden and unexpected "loss" of their "loved one".

Just like pedophiles, serial rapists, serial killers, and incestuous relatives do.

Ugh. I feel dirty even answering such an offensive question.

You might as well ask me, as a Jew who lost the entire maternal side of her great-grandfather's & great-grandmother's family during the Holocaust (and who only saved themselves by coming to America and pretending NOT to be Jewish) whether the Holocaust was real.

Go ahead. Ask me that next.

I'll pray to the God I don't believe in, the God who never saved me from my viciously violent and cruel Muncher mother, that whoever asked this question in the first place and whoever doubts that MBP exists, that you suffer even a fraction of what the victims of Muncher mothers inflict on their victims.

You'll never ask such a question again.
Because you will know that such evil does, indeed, exist in the world.

Constantinova

Here is a sixteen point checklist to diagnoses MSbP in an adult and esepcially in a medic:

http://munchausenssyndromebyproxywithad ... asite.com/

Look for Beverly Allitt for the seminal case of MSbP

I am very interested in hearing more about your stories. Please PM me if you're comfortable sharing your experiences.

Thank you.