Zeldox 80mg & Effexor XR 75mg please HELP

Hello everyone....

I'm a borderline personality disorder....I don't have the mood swings anymore, but still have the quite bad depression, self harm, suicidal thoughts again, and just voices with the sense of being watched...

I've tried a lot of medications over around 3 yrs such as Cipralex 20mg, Depekene 1000mg, I think Excel!!??, Seroquel 25mg, Abilify 15mg, Inderal 10mg, Trileptal 600mg, and Zyprexa 10mg last

I stopped the Trileptal and Zyprexa, It's been about a month now almost since I've stopped, but because of my current state my doctor is trying to force me to take Zeldox 80mg and Effexor XR 75mg. I hate and don't like psychiatric medication and had no good luck with any of them ever. I'm quite sick and tired of trying them like a laboratory rat which is why I stopped in the first place. Now though my psychiatrist thinks I really need the meds and I'm that I'm not being realistic....I hate them

So I have them Zeldox and Effexor XR but haven't taken them...I'm studying the situation still confused scared hesitant and don't want to go through starting something new, it starts to get frustrating...

SO I'm asking who has trired Zeldox or Effexor XR the following...I want your experiences, any feedback you can give me please do

I want to also know about the two meds or one of them if you've only tried one of them...if you have clue about the below

Is it addictive?

What are the side effects? Do have to take another medication to fix a side effect caused by it? like Inderal for akathesia (a killer) or shaking hands...

Dose it cause you to gain weight? I've become an elephant with Zyprexa and hate myself for it

Does it really work? what's the level of success? Everything I tried failed

Does it cause issues with sleep?

Is it difficult to stop?

Do you recommend it....??!!

Hey there, I'll try to help since no one has posted yet.

I do have experience with psychiatric prescription drugs, but not with the ones you've listed. However, i have a medical prescription drug reference manual and am working on my master's degree in Clinical Psychology and i have a minor in Chemistry. I can tell you what i know.

I do feel like I'll need to ask a few questions to understand where your coming from, your not obligated to answer any or all if you feel uncomfortable.
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Are you in any type of counseling/therapy aside from prescription drug use?
Was it your idea, or your doctor's to stop taking the Trileptal and Zyprexa?
Did you quit Trileptal and Zyprexa cold turkey?
How do you feel your doctor takes your opinion on these matters? Seriously? Or does he blow them off?
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I think its highly intelligent that you want to learn about what your putting into your body. That's always a good idea.

With that taken care of, let's start learning about Zeldox first. I pride myself on at least being able to recognize prescription drug's names, but i drew a blank on Zeldox. I asked my professor who was a clinical psychologist before coming to my college to teach from his 40+ years experience. His opinion of the drug is that it's an anti-psychotic that is on par with others, but causes abnormal hearth rhythms and a dangerous increase in blood pressure. He said he's not a fan of it, that the risks outweigh the benefits. Ask your doctor about these side effects.

A person taking Anti-psychotic meds can become chemically addicted to them. That type addiction works just like a cocaine addiction or a painkiller addiction, such as a Vicodin addiction.

A person taking SSRI's cannot become truly addicted to the medication chemically, but psychologically addicted to the feelings it can produce. Even so, addiction of this kind are rare.

What are the side effects? Do have to take another medication to fix a side effect caused by it? like Inderal for akathesia (a killer) or shaking hands...

Dose it cause you to gain weight? I've become an elephant with Zyprexa and hate myself for it

Does it really work? what's the level of success? Everything I tried failed

Does it cause issues with sleep?

All of these questions are patient specific. Symptoms vary from person to person. I know you hate how it feels to be a guinea pig for your doctor with medications, i hated it too. But trial and error is the only way we know to test effectiveness of psychiatric medication versus the risk/side effects of said medication. The goal is to have the highest desired result with the lowest risk/side effects.

Take care, ill be around if you'd like to chat more.
~Robert

Hello, I really appreciate you trying to help, I was about to give up on the thought that anyone was going to post anything... I even stopped checking, but thought perhaps I'll get lucky and find a reply today...I did

These are the answers to your questions...

Are you in any type of counseling/therapy aside from prescription drug use? Yea I am, but may stop because I am ashamed of going for so long. My dad is also pressuring me thinking I'm in some kind of sexual relationship with my therapist. Always doubting me, and accusing me of things with no basis or ground for it in the first place.

Was it your idea, or your doctor's to stop taking the Trileptal and Zyprexa? Mine..It stopped working for me and caused tremendous amounts of sleeping hours which wont work when I need to be getting up early for a job soon... Not to mention the weight issue

Did you quit Trileptal and Zyprexa cold turkey? No I didn't...took it even slower then the method I was told to use in stopping them, because from experience my body doesn't react well to stopping medication.

How do you feel your doctor takes your opinion on these matters? Seriously? Or does he blow them off? Blows it off, and treats me like trash!!! We have a different system in the country I'm in (Kuwait) so... I just changed doctors though, but can't really judge if it will be better, so far it's not that horrible. The new doctor is also considering Zeldox...

I'm quite confused with these doctors and feel their not trust worthy at all. I've been through 5 already, and the new doctor is number 6. He isn't Arab...He's Nigerien so hoping it's better, but it's so difficult to make small talk with him. He takes everything so literally, in a wrong way, offensive, doesn't understand/get simple things I say (everythings backwards) and takes things negatively. I've never struggled so much to communicate with anyone in my whole life like him, such a difficult person, but is respectful and has good intentions I feel. The others before were a lot worse each in their own way.

My experiences with doctors are just a long horrible story... Makes me frustrated..

Thank you again Robert..I'm thankful for help.

Good luck in your career. I will also continue my master in something in Psychology in the states after getting a few years of work therefor some experience. I just graduated and yet to be a social worker. Waiting on that job sometime soon.


Layla

It's no problem, i love helping people. It's why I'm studying what i am. Sorry for late responses, school is most definitely kicking my butt.

If you feel like you can truly trust your counselor, i implore you to mention everything you have told me, if you haven't.

Counseling professionals are really similar to detectives. We piece together clues presented to us for access to the larger picture of what could be troubling people. The closer to the truth we have, the better and quicker (not to mention easier!) you can be on a path to recovery. PLEASE understand, that it's your right to do as you see fit. What people fail to realize, is that nothing in this process can happen if the patient doesn't want it to (aside from having your legal rights taken away, if admitted to a psych ward). Doctor telling you to take something you aren't comfortable with? Tell him that immediately. Even tell him "I don't want this medication, i don't want to take it for xxxxxxxxx reason. And i won't take it." Any doctor should be able to answer any questions with a nice conversation. Remember, you are paying off those med school loans for him. He is there to help YOU! Don't take any crap.

I'm sorry about the lack of good doctors. If it's any help, most doctors aren't well versed in Psychiatric medication. I have found one doctor after seven years of searching that i trust, and i held on to her for dear life. One of my doctor's actually couldn't remember what SSRI stood for (Selective Serotonin Reuptake Inhibitor, the un-abbreviated name is actually the process the medication causes in our bodies....) . Sure, ill trust you putting chemicals into my body.... Once you know their name?

With the struggle you are going through with a mental disorder, you don't need the problems your dad is causing you. Why do you think he thinks that?

Look up something called "Schizophrenic-Paranoid". If you think there is any merit to this disorder and yourself, do not do anything but bring it up to your counselor. Just a hunch.

Another thing to keep in mind, the massive majority of people with mental disorders, once the disorder has been brought under control, are quite intelligent. For example: People that have Depression, and beat it into submission, are much more compassionate and have a lot of insight they can apply to the outside world (true wisdom, in my opinion). People conquering ADHD, VERY often have brilliant analytical minds.

Surprisingly to me, through my own experiences and studies, i have found that human beings are quite resilient. Resolve is the name of the game. Realize that only when you have chosen to give up, that then and there is the only possible way to be defeated.
"A resolute determination is the truest wisdom" Napolean Bonaparte

I'll be around
Take care Layla,
~Robert

I have a similar experience with my psychiatrist. He just doesn't understand me at all. Even if I tell him the exact symptoms, he's not capable of a proper diagnosis. He says he's gonna look it up, but next time he just tells me he didn't have time. It's funny. So, I took matters into my own hands, and for years now I tell him what to prescribe.

Since doctors know so little about antipsychotics (it's true - scientists don't know how exactly they work), everything is done by trial and error approach. So, I started studying pharmacology as a hobby. Works for me.

I can't say anything helpful about Zeldox or Effexor, so I decided I won't say anything.

Best of luck,
Mirage

Don't worry about the late response, I understand you all have your lives too, it's not like you have nothing else to do ,but wait for my reply. Thanks for being considerate about it though...

I saw your response earlier, but I didn't have energy/focus to reply. I had been awake for a little more than two days.. oh well..but sorry about that...

Yes my therapist does know everything I've told you...I blindly trust him..Thank god I can trust him, unlike those psychiatrists..

I don't have any trouble speaking my mind about meds regarding what I will or wont take, but some think I'm being difficult because of that, or I get accused of giving orders playing their role pathetic. Forget about having a nice conversation in answering questions... I wish he could at least be able to answer them in the first place in any form... I asked a question like does lack of sleep increase hallucinations? (I wanted a confirmation on what I know about that) Second, I realize that I don't feel tired of having no sleep until it's been two days!! I feel full of energy for quite some time before my battery goes out. I thought that was weird and abnormal... I wanted to know if that had a link to some psych disorder? I've heard bipolars feel that way sometimes!!? His answers were too broad and had no answer to the question itself those are examples...I mean are they challenging difficult questions??

I have found one doctor after seven years of searching that i trust, and i held on to her for dear life.

That's what I would say about my therapist. I was in a really bad situation with repeating suicide attempts one after another, self harm, sever total out of control mood swings, and interning psych words again and again. I was in a deep hole

Seems I have to force myself to stop seeing him now though... I'm worried cause it's been a long time since I've been med free along with starting an important new stage in my life where people will count on me in my job...Things just can't go haywire.. Worried to death about a relapse it's making me sick..

With the struggle you are going through with a mental disorder, you don't need the problems your dad is causing you. Why do you think he thinks that?

I have some theories to why, but I can't really understand him sometimes. He has an issue when it comes to sexual things. Ever since my first sexual harassment at 11 yrs old until about I think 21 from strangers, and people you should be able to trust like a maternity doctor in a hospital SEVERAL times, or a university doctor which continued to send nasty sexual emails for a year after that...some examples.. He blames be for all of them. He thinks there must had been something I did or they way I was dressed!! #######4..PLEASE excuse my language, it just makes me mad...

About Schizophrenic-Paranoid I looked it up online and in my dsm 4 book. Yea I do have the hallucinations, but I doubt the delusions a lot..No just negative thoughts not delusions

I used to fit BPD perfectly before with PTSD but I don't have the mood swings in BPD anymore! Thats the only difference

My issue now which is I'm checking out with the new psychiatrist is do a need a med again or not regarding the voices (he wants Zeldox possibly) ? which are comments on whatever I'm doing, or negative things...like I'm ugly or fat..etc with the sense of being watched..They go and come, but lately I'm forgetting the their even there..I don't let them effect my thoughts nor action like they severely used to...My psychiatrist says the issue is that these things are recurrent. Aside from that I'm struggling to stop the remaining types of self harm that I've gained or still do!! Plus the struggle not to return to the more sever types of self harm I used to do like sever sexual harm!! I don't do simpler things in my opinion like just cutting.. I've learned so many.. Not proud of it

I'm also worrying about have total lose of appetite, sever nausea, lack of sleep, stomach issues, and I think hormonal again cause I haven't had a cycle over a month.. I have Hiatal Hernia, Gastritis, and Endometriosis though.. Been on meds for first two sense 14 yrs old (feel NOW like I'm taking nothing though) but not for the Endometriosis in a while... I need to check those out especially the hormones always had issues with sexual hormones, prolactin , and Hypothyroidism...So yea...but the question is may it just be all Psychological (somatism) rooted or is it really just physical?? I'm wondering about that..

Giving you a clearer idea about what the issue is.. You said you like helping, and my psychiatrist is just eh...no comment you know what I mean..

Going to discuses the somatism thing with my therapist on the 19th though along with what happened with the psychiatrist and SH progress..He knows about everything....

I will say again Robert I'm very thankful for your help..Truly! Interested in what you have to say...no pressure though!

Layla

Hi Mirage..

Thats exactly what I'm doing. I search a lot for hours on these meds.., but wasn't satisfied with what I found about Zeldox which is why I posted this topic..

If feel I haven't got a good clear idea of I med or enough info. in my opinion I will resort to asking others online...

I could always try yet ANOTHER psychiatrist, but getting tired of going through so many... It's exhausting...

Thanks

Layla

Hey there, finally got some down time. I do mean to respond to every post directed at me or if i think i can help. I'll get to you eventually, i promise.

timesspace,
I am very relieved to hear about your great support system through your counselor. Some people aren't lucky enough to find a great one for awhile, maybe forever or not before harm comes to an individual. It's rare and awesome what you have, don't give it up.

Honestly, there are people who refuse to think that mental disorders are real. Let people think what they want. "Those who don't matter, mind. And those who don't mind, matter." So, sympathy can be coming from (necessary) attention you are getting, and people may be jealous of it. I've seen it quite a bit in sisters. One is suffering, the other is sure she is faking it for attention, and becomes venomous with the one needing counseling/medication/special care. Please take my word for it: Having been through the same situation, it angers me even now to be reminded through your story. Regardless of if your faking it, you still have a right to what you put into your own body. If you aren't comfortable taking a drug? Don't. Let the nay-sayers say nay. It beats putting god knows what chemical concoction in your body, just to appease the critics.

So, next is the energizer bunny mystery. I would like to know what moods you are feeling while being super active, and how you feel when you finally get to rest. It may be something like a manic burst due to chemicals in the brain not responding correctly, to a need to work till exhaustion in order to avoid your mind idly drifting to an event that you don't wish to revisit. Possibly your history of sexual abuse. A focus point which allows you to only focus on that point, and nothing in your past is a coping mechanism, and its a common one. I really feel better after finding myself elbow deep in case studies and statistics (gross, math right?). But math damn sure requires all my attention, and i'm not very good at it so i really get to put all my attention to it if i want to be successful. And sadly, it's really useful to know :/

Whew, this part:
Online diagnosis are pretty much impossible. Guess work is all we would have here. I wouldn't want to try to diagnose as i'm not a full/certified psychologist. These are just idea's, please treat them as so.

Schizophrenia-Paranoid type can present with some, not all symptoms. Full blown symptoms as explained in the DSM4 are rare and wide enough so the psychiatrists that wrote it felt like they covered fair amounts of ground with each disorder listed. Hence why so many mental disorders can have a lot of the same symptoms, and be QUITE often misdiagnosed.

Do research into Serotonin Syndrome, It's a rare disorder that can develop from inappropriate medications use and/or a very negative reaction to meds. I feel it is rare, and in most cases fleeting once the body can detox, but i feel it is truly overlooked in modern psychology.

timesspace says:
I'm also worrying about have total lose of appetite, sever nausea, lack of sleep, stomach issues, and I think hormonal again cause I haven't had a cycle over a month.. I have Hiatal Hernia, Gastritis, and Endometriosis though.. Been on meds for first two sense 14 yrs old (feel NOW like I'm taking nothing though) but not for the Endometriosis in a while... I need to check those out especially the hormones always had issues with sexual hormones, prolactin , and Hypothyroidism...So yea...but the question is may it just be all Psychological (somatism) rooted or is it really just physical?? I'm wondering about that."

Somatism can be a culprit, but too many of the usual suspects you listed under symptoms can apply to Serotonin Syndrome. Again, this is my hunch. The brain uses something like 1/10th of the amount of Serotonin in your body, the digestive track uses the rest. Also, the Syndrome can effect your mental (your mental disorder symptoms) and physical states (your digestive system issues and pains). A complete mental and physical history, an understanding of mental disorders in your family, and a good conversation over both with a trusted health care provider would be the best way to try and nail down the truth.

Again, your psychiatrist is working for you. Treat him like it. You are paying him, not the other way around. Chances are, his little precious world of prestige over being a psychiatrist could use a good shaking up. Please oblige.

That goes double for you miragexd. Kudos to you for independently searching for answers. There are a lot of sources claiming certain things about medications, and finding and understanding the information you need can be VERY difficult. So, tell you what. I have considerable resources at my disposal, ie. books, professors, extensive study and knowledge in this area, access to psychology related reference materials not otherwise available to non-grad-psych majors, psychology monthly publications.... the list goes on.

~MirageXD and timesspace,
Fire away with the questions. I'd be happy to try and find the answer, and can list the source for the answer to your questions, should you feel the need to review the information yourselves (and i hope you do!). No questions or details are too small, and i will get back with every answer i can find, it just may take me a bit to answer, per the usual...

Sorry if i stated something strangely, super tired but wanted to answer the questions first chance i got.
I'll be around
~Robert

I am sorry I saw your reply (thank you), but I will get back to it soon..

I feel so blue, hurt, lost, and upset right now... I just don't have the energy to focus and type a sufficient reply...

PLEASE forgive me... I feel bad cause I feel your really trying to help then here I say hold on just because of how I'm feeling...

I'm so sorry... This is so embarrassing

There is no problem with that, take your time and whenever your ready