Ashamed of being Bisexual

roman society failed due to its pretence of being liberal, but some were more liberated than others. (very Animal Farm)

in terms of sexuality, romans allowed homosexuality and bisexuality, so long as the domient sexual position was taken by the the dominient party, viewed to be the one with the higher social status, ergo "more liberated" than the other.

Mr. No, I think that sleeping with a man and liking it would make you bisexual lol They exist too.
By the way, why do you think homosexuality is the wrong choice?

@ jasmin,
Bisexuality in really simple terms is people just being greedy. But in a slightly more complicated way you could say bisexuality doesn't even exist because what it is composed of is individuals indulging in homosexual activity, although not exclusively. Just because one can indulge, does not make them anything more than they are or what they are capable of. If you would like to know why homosexuality is the wrong choice, ask a homosexual, they will and can explain more eloquent than me. Almost every homosexual I've encountered has told me they wish it was easier. Which brings me to my next point....

@ relasped saint,
If you are not preprogrammed riddle me this....you have used the word "prejudiced" twice when discussing this issue with me and used the word "archaic" once. Don't you find this strange? That you would deal with my "disagreeing with you" in this manner. Lol Disagreeing with ones intellectual or philosophical position is now defined as prejudice? Lol And to imply that I lose face for voicing my opinion is folly as well. Another preprogrammed thought was your example of the animal kingdom. First of all, the animal kingdom is just that full of animals not capable of human functions or reasoning. So that really is not applicable


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but lets say it is. There is cannibalism in nature, some species will consume their own young. Some species kill their mate after sex. Should we really continue this line of reasoning?

Mr. No One, you continue to talk down subjects and give explanations as to why for justification of your reasoning the true fact is your opinions are prejudiced.

Prejudice is pre-judgement or an assumption and this is exactly what Relapsed meant. You've been very much closed off to any suggestions that differ with your opinion and this only further reinforces the prejudiced statement.

If you removed sexual orientation from the debate and replaced it with religion or race the outcome would be the same... your comments are all prejudiced toward your own personal beliefs and are rigidly defended by you.

Very clever Arbie but the definition you have put forth is not in line with how the relapsed saint had used it.

Edit: By the way, has anyone really done the opposite of what I have done with their position?

Mr. No One wrote:@ jasmin,
Bisexuality in really simple terms is people just being greedy. But in a slightly more complicated way you could say bisexuality doesn't even exist because what it is composed of is individuals indulging in homosexual activity, although not exclusively. Just because one can indulge, does not make them anything more than they are or what they are capable of. If you would like to know why homosexuality is the wrong choice, ask a homosexual, they will and can explain more eloquent than me. Almost every homosexual I've encountered has told me they wish it was easier. Which brings me to my next point....

Have they told you what makes it difficult for them? I bet it's the attitude that people like you have toward what they do with their bodies or who they feel sexually attracted to.
And if it's simply a choice, why don't all these gay people choose to be straight and be done with it?
Who would choose the hard way?
You're the one who's being "apologetic" for your own repulsion or whatever it is.

Jasmine, I have had this conversation with homosexuals many times. This is why I am so comfortable with it. I live in a city where gays are numerous and unavoidable. And yes, they have told me their struggles. Very rarely was bigotry one of them because the city we live in is so gay friendly. As for your other questions....alot of people do things the hard way and choose things that are not profitable nor expedient for them. Smoking crack comes to mind. It happens all the time. Why? I would like to know as well.

Listen I am an "antisocial." A psychopath if you will. You know this already. A couple of threads down there is a pedophile answering questions. Both could claim immunity from their actions just like homosexuals do because of a supposed lack of choice. Are you willing to pardon a psychopath or pedophile for their actions because they were supposedly born that way? Could you excuse them? Or do they have a legitimate choice to change or alter their behavior?

Listen everyone my goal here is not to offend anyone. I am merely keeping what I feel is an important conversation going.

So what did your homosexual friends tell you that their struggles are?

Here's what I think. You choose what you do, but you don't choose what you feel, especially not when it comes to something like sexual urges. A psychopath who has violent urges didn't choose to feel that way and a pedophile who feels sexually attracted to kids certainly didn't choose to feel that way either. But a pedophile is a pedophile because of his attraction not because of his actions. Take a look through the paraphilia forum, there are lots of pedophiles who have never abused kids and paraphiliacs who have not acted on their urges, ever. Yet, they are still pedophilies and paraphiliacs.
A gay man is still gay even if he never acts on his homosexual feelings. If he represses them and has sex with a woman instead but he still thinks about men from time to time and feels attracted to good looking men out of instinct, he's still gay.
If a pedophile does the right thing and gets therapy and maybe even has a spouse and family but he still thinks about kids from time to time (without meaning to, even) or he has to restrain himself or talk to his therapist or look away when he sees a child that he might feel attracted to, he's still a pedophile. He has made all the right choices, but he will always be a pedophile, even if he has things under control and he has a happy life.
Now, why are therapy and self control the right choices, in certain cases? Because of the consequences. Pedophilia (if it's acted upon) obviously has very damaging consequences. It hurts the victims and the offender ends up in prison, rightfully so.
Homosexuality has no victims. It doesn't hurt anyone if it's acted upon, it's just two adults indulging, as you put it, in what gives them pleasure. Heterosexuality is two adults indulging in what gives them pleasure too. Pretty much everything is adults indulging in what gives them pleasure or what has other kinds of positive consequences for them, like going to work so they can get paid and feed their family, hanging out with friends, doing other activities that they enjoy like hobbies etc.
Doing drugs has bad consequences because it affects your health, I'm guessing.

mr. no one...

this homosexual thing for you is mostly about moral right and wrong...hm? hm...what?

guess the issue here concerning you is...why do you, mr. no one, feel the need to contribute to a discussion such as this...what exactly is your "added value"?

@john via jasmine,
Fair question.....I believe my answers to Jasmine might help. Jasmine my comparisons between the three was kinda of morally apathetic for I was merely pointing out the commonalities between the three regarding if they collectively could decide to live outside their predispositions and if they can this is called a "choice."
If we are to talk about if homosexuals "hurt" anyone other than themselves I fear that this congenial discussion of "decision" and if one could change would deteriorate very rapidly.

John,
My goal is to help really. To give people a choice. To allow them to discover that they can be free of barriers and have true freedom. Not the false freedom of tolerance because that freedom is not equal it is hypocritical and always changing to the pendulum of societys whims.