Living With My Mental Illness

Lucidor wrote:

Dan (Edmond) wrote:Why work on logic if it is already too advanced for anyone to understand?

Most everything can be broken down into understandable entities. Especially logic, i'd say.

But then the answer will be much simpler than the truth.
There is a reason for why I don't talk simply when I talk logically, or when I use my reasoning.

I create knowledge by putting a logic and reason filter in front of my mouth. Of course, the knowledge can only be basic. Which is why, as obvious, I plan to read many more books very soon.

Dan (Edmond) wrote:But then the answer will be much simpler than the truth.

Not at all. The truth may be too complex to understand as a whole, but every piece of it may be understood. I don't think you can have the answer for the truth as a whole. It's just too much for our human little brains to handle.

Lucidor wrote:

Dan (Edmond) wrote:But then the answer will be much simpler than the truth.

Not at all. The truth may be too complex to understand as a whole, but every piece of it may be understood. I don't think you can have the answer for the truth as a whole. It's just too much for our human little brains to handle.

I have tried. When it comes to scientific philosophy, there is usually one true answer per question, so I cannot say half of it then the other half. That's like making a regular cd player read a half CD (from being split in half), and then the other half. The CD player will not be able to read it.

When I can split the answer to pieces, even my above average adult friends won't understand. Remember what I said about the layers.

Would you care to give an example? I probably won't understand it, but it would be interesting to have a look.

Lucidor wrote:Would you care to give an example? I probably won't understand it, but it would be interesting to have a look.

I am very clueless unless I have something proposed. I'll give it a shot though. I am not experienced in writing comlpicated stuff, but I'll still try

One that I find very easy to understand...
Time is a tool, a man-made one.
Like I said, it is very hard to discuss about it on a forum.
Nature does not have "built in time".
The closest thing to what I mean is...
even going back in time consumes an equal amount of time at present. Going back in time would seemingly just be a change of scenery. I do not know how to state my newer statement of it, which is that time, is simply not accessible.
Why? Because there is no reasoning in it, I just "see it that way" I think about time, and it pops up. time measures the evolution of something. The universe evolves on events, not on time. I still have not proven my real point, because it is far easier when I talk directly to someone.

Another thing...
This goes against logic, but with such little knowledge about this, how can you know? True logic is always right, which is not always good. Since it is always right, if you are given the wrong knowledge, you will come up with the wrong answer. Since we know so little about many things, knowledge is often wrong.

REMEMBER! Think clearly before you react.

What if we are not conscious? It seems so unlikely. Of course we are, we are right here, talking! But are you really sure? what makes you think you are sitting on a chair right now? What makes you think you have a computer, or a mother? How the hell are you so sure that your perspective is not somehow different? What if you had a perspective difference for your entire life? Maybe that is only what you think, since it is from your perspective. Are you absolutely positive? Maybe this perspective is different from others. What I mean by perspective can also be changed into "drugs", or general hallucinations.

If I see a square, will you see the same square? Maybe our brain translates images differently, and therefore it is impossible to know the differences since it is a perspective. Because of this, if a person sees something and tells the other person what he sees, to the other person, the hearing will be translated into a comprehensible language, thus into that humans' 5 senses, and so it will seem as if the other person has the same perspective.

And so on...
By the way, I am not angry or anything. Talking harshly seems to make a person focus more.

You think you know, but that is only because you have been raised that way. You have never experienced another perspective of life, and therefore you can't know. It seems so obvious, and it is, but in your brain's perspective, not in the true reality.

Think of it as the matrix. The movie was pure crap when it came to science, but it will simplify things for you. The humans inside the computer don't know that they are in a computer. Neo did not until he saw. Remember, it was crap on science, but it simplifies my point.

Now none of you will understand me! That just adds to my bad life. GARRR!!!!! I don't blame you though...
Most of you are probably going to do what I said with the layers. I am going to seem like a complete retard. Not even my very very bright dad wants to understand.

on time: I couldn't quite follow your reasoning. Do you mean that there is no time, just instants, and that all things that can happen exists simultaneously in different instants? That what we percieve as time is just our mind hopping from one instant to another all the time?

on perception: I have always wondered what the world would look like if I saw it through someone elses eyes. In my imagination it was just different colours on things, but there's really no reason to limit oneself to colours.
What I percieve as a foldable rectangular object with buttons might look like a rough coated monkey if I saw it through your eyes. Like there is different themes on some programs and web sites (such as this site), there might be different themes on reality. It doesn't alter the function of things though, since we are able to talk about things in life and understand each other fairly well.

on layers: Do you care that we on the lower levels think that you are a retard? :^) I guess we should be honoured. I don't think you are a retard.

I remember once when I was a kid.. maybe seven or so. I came to think about math, how different numbers related to each others. I got really excited and went to tell my dad, who was trying to fix a laundry machine or something. He clearly had his mind on other things, and said "I don't understand".
I was devastated and didn't care much for math from then on. I can imagine how hard it is when no-one understand even when you have their full attention.

A fact about time and perception I find fascinating is that there is a tiny gap between our senses registering something and the signal arriving at our consciousness. So we are always in a lag, not able to be in real time. This is so insignificant we are unaware of it.

beatachica:

Thanks for the reply, but I already knew all of that a very long time ago.

Neither of us know for sure of these laws, since, by reality, everything is an enducated guess. It may be a 99.9999999% certainty, but it isn't for sure.
In science, these may be the most logical things to say.

In the future, if we talk, don't be afraid to talk far deeper. I will tell you if I get confused. Thanks for simplifying anyway though.

By the way, if something can travel one way, why would you need to say that it can do the same thing the other way? All it would need to do is have it's front towards the other side. Back and forward can be the same thing. Not that it is in your speech, but just for a better understanding. So yeah... why?

Near the beginning, you talked about the schools with newtonian physics. However, I don't go to school, and I haven't since 2 weeks after the 2nd grade (when I was 7). I teach myself, so it works differently in my head.

Actually, it seems that I also enjoy biological and nerological philosophy... I think.
Thanks for all the information!
I know that my potential for exceptional knowledge is there, so I am going to restart reading many books.

am rather impressed with your outlook and theories.......i often wonder....how can we even claim to have a base or collection of "known" facts when we have only been keeping a record of events like weather and such for only a nanosecond in the big picture of things. oh, and i know the ocd tic stuff all too well bud,still have probs with them.love to talk science....r u into pure or applied science?no one here has any diff. reguard for your feelings here whether ur 1 or 100 yrs old.......feelings and support and being in a safe place to discuss your ideas, problems, whatever......u r in the right place.i know beata is a highly intelligent person like yourself, and myself....well let's just say iv'e been around....and at last iq test.....was in the above computation cat. est. to be somewhere in the 190 to 210 category. can be useful, and a burden too....if u ever want to chat either pure or applied.....or my new spealty, string theory....just drop me a line man.well, gotta boogie, take care my friend......keep in touch, 'core