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Re: what is my husband's condition?

Postby just-tonight » Sun Dec 28, 2014 2:06 pm

Wolfy- wrote:Hi there, just-tonight!

First, welcome to the forums. I hope your time here is beneficial! :) Second, what you're going through sounds horrifying. :(

Has your husband always displayed these sort of traits towards you? Intimidation, domination? Or has it just been since the wedding night that he's been particularly violent? How long have you known one another / been dating / been married? I'm just hoping to get a better grasp at what's going on.

What I do know is I agree with the others here, it sounds like rape. :cry:

I am recently married, and my husband asked me direct permission 1.) before removing any and every article of clothing and 2.) prior to our consummation, out of respect for my boundaries, to make sure it was absolutely okay to proceed.

I was blessed in that regard, and it honestly angers me you didn't get to experience that...marital bliss...the way I did! Your husband stole what should have been a moment of true unity. :(

With that in mind, marriage doesn't give free reign to sexual activity. It's still something that both parties are to agree upon. Sex is something to enjoy, cherish and celebrate!

i agree with every word you said but the thing is he hasn't always been like that i have met him in a college party,i was amazed by the fact that he was Finn and i'm half Finn myself so we started dating he was so nice and caring and would always show up when i needed him he was like a best friend except he was my BF and what made me fall even deeper the fact that he agreed to respect my boundaries and not have sex not even oral not nothing till after I'm married he respected that and kept his distance in a physical way but he would always give me the impression that he wants to make love to me so bad he wouldn't say it but i could see it in his eyes he wasn't checking me out or anything but if i accidentally brush against him he would smile and i could see he would be very happy. he was never violent except for one time a guy friend of mine pushed me in a fight it wasn't even that huge he was just upset and then my husband (BF at the time) attacked him and broke his nose and kept punching him i remember it was scary he acted like an animal literally he just punched him and went on top of him and kept punching him in a hysterical way that was the first time i saw him act like that. and then on our first night i was utterly shocked by what he did it was like he was a robot or a monster his face it was like he had no empathy for my pleads or cries and just changing positions and after he would ejaculate he would force me to give him oral then go back at it again and that was my first time and when i confronted him the next day he said he hadn't had any sex cuz he was waiting for me and that he was glad he waited. he said it in a way that didn't make me feel flattered but scared he was smiling that creepy smile like WOW i married a psycho what is that?

-- Sun Dec 28, 2014 4:11 pm --

shockley123 wrote:Would you mind sharing your husband's cultural-ethnic background? Some cultures would not view his behavior as even mentionable - like say Taliban as one well-known culture. I in no way condone his behavior, I ask this to gain insight to his main culture of influence in his development.

he's Finnish, Catholic and he HATES anything related to Arabs so he hates taliban and all this, you think Nordic guys are violent? many people think that.
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Re: what is my husband's condition?

Postby babybowrain » Sun Dec 28, 2014 6:56 pm

hi GET THE HELL AWAY FROM HIM HE SOUNDS LIKE A CREEP. i dated a guy like that before. he molested me and was very violent with me. i think he is lying to you about who he is. i am speaking from life experience. what is your profession? what is his profession? are you the same ethnicity as him?
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Re: what is my husband's condition?

Postby Wolfy- » Sun Dec 28, 2014 7:46 pm

just-tonight wrote:i agree with every word you said but the thing is he hasn't always been like that i have met him in a college party,i was amazed by the fact that he was Finn and i'm half Finn myself so we started dating he was so nice and caring and would always show up when i needed him he was like a best friend except he was my BF and what made me fall even deeper the fact that he agreed to respect my boundaries and not have sex not even oral not nothing till after I'm married he respected that and kept his distance in a physical way but he would always give me the impression that he wants to make love to me so bad he wouldn't say it but i could see it in his eyes he wasn't checking me out or anything but if i accidentally brush against him he would smile and i could see he would be very happy. he was never violent except for one time a guy friend of mine pushed me in a fight it wasn't even that huge he was just upset and then my husband (BF at the time) attacked him and broke his nose and kept punching him i remember it was scary he acted like an animal literally he just punched him and went on top of him and kept punching him in a hysterical way that was the first time i saw him act like that. and then on our first night i was utterly shocked by what he did it was like he was a robot or a monster his face it was like he had no empathy for my pleads or cries and just changing positions and after he would ejaculate he would force me to give him oral then go back at it again and that was my first time and when i confronted him the next day he said he hadn't had any sex cuz he was waiting for me and that he was glad he waited. he said it in a way that didn't make me feel flattered but scared he was smiling that creepy smile like WOW i married a psycho what is that? 


Hey just-tonight!

It really, really saddens me you had to experience what you did on your wedding night. I think every girl envisions it closer to what I had, especially when their guy respects their boundaries up until that point!   :cry:

It just...I'm having a hard time fumbling for words. It leaves me speechless, to be honest. 

My husband was sitting here trying to help me process my thoughts and he said it well, I think: "Her husband went from waiting for marriage to fcking her because they were now married.  That's not okay!"

I think Shockley was right in asking about his cultural background to give us a picture if there was anything in his upbringing that could have any effect on his behavior. 

I'd have to say that's still no excuse because in the end it's a choice made; even impulses can with time, patience, and practice be delayed and/or stopped!

I know we can't diagnose him for you here, but I certainly hope talking to us can at least help you process what's going on in moving forward. 

You love him, but you fear him. That disconnect he shows, as my husband said while talking, "being her husband by day and rapist by night" definitely puts up red flags. 

I totally understand falling deeper in love for a man who becomes your best friend and respects boundaries sexually -- because of my own mental illness, that was huge; when I had sexual impulses, he went above and beyond even though having been active prior to me, to keep my virginity intact.  

Keeping distance physically was a flag to me in your response - was it simply sexual physicality or things like kissing and holding hands, too?  'Where was the boundary line made?' I guess is my question. 

The violence he showed towards this guy friend of yours was also a flag. I've seen my guy quite upset, but he's told me how even in fights from his past, he has never hurt to harm, but rather to defend and get the violence to stop.

"Glad he waited" sounds like bull $#%^ to me; waited "for you"...not "for us"? Hm... and as you said, it made you feel scared and not flattered. He abused you on your friggin' wedding night!  Your usage of words in a variety of contexts....animal, monster, robot, psycho.... I wonder if you aren't the first he's acted out on in this way?

I hope my response hasn't gone on too long and I've simply rambled. I'll wrap it up for now with some final thoughts/questions.

Your safety is number one in all of this.  From what you've described your husband's gone from a sweet, caring guy to a violent man with something as simple as some vows... With that in mind, maybe I missed it somewhere, but is this still ongoing?  If you can't get him to seek treatment, or even couple's therapy, is it an option for you to seek counseling?  

Stay safe,
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Re: what is my husband's condition?

Postby ButHeartOfAnAngel » Sun Dec 28, 2014 8:43 pm

shockley123 wrote:Would you mind sharing your husband's cultural-ethnic background? Some cultures would not view his behavior as even mentionable - like say Taliban as one well-known culture. I in no way condone his behavior, I ask this to gain insight to his main culture of influence in his development.

I doubt that any of us here is ready to claim enough knowledge about Taliban as a culture
to credibly and conclusively state that for them raping their wives is a common practice.

just-tonight wrote:he's Finnish, Catholic and he HATES anything related to Arabs so he hates taliban and all this, you think Nordic guys are violent? many people think that.


"There are only two things that I hate in this world -
people who are intolerant of other people's cultures... and the Dutch."
just like Jesus Christ ordered... :)

Where I am from there is a good number of funny jokes about "Hot Nordic temper" :)
The question was for shockley123, dunno what he is going to say, but I say... noop...
"Nordic guys" I have known :roll: are not violent,
and yet gain... on a serious note...
healthy (psychologically stable) humans are not violent,
while some sick (psychologically unstable) humans are...

just-tonight, I wonder, your husband hates "anything related to Arabs so he hates taliban and all this", but somehow this hatred of his does not spread over to predominantly Hindu and Muslim population of Mumbai ?

P.S.
got your PM, so far have not heard anything that would make me change my position, so
I maintain it ==> staying is not going to help you live a good productive life - leaving will...
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Re: what is my husband's condition?

Postby Failed1991 » Sun Dec 28, 2014 8:44 pm

Not everything needs to have a condition.

I think your husband is just like that from his past experiences or from watching too many inappropriate content. He reminds of those doctors who think they are helping but are just causing huge amounts of unnecessary pain.

Anyway try speaking to him about how he behaves. If he does not listen then leave him.
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Re: what is my husband's condition?

Postby just-tonight » Sun Dec 28, 2014 9:16 pm

ButHeartOfAnAngel wrote:
shockley123 wrote:Would you mind sharing your husband's cultural-ethnic background? Some cultures would not view his behavior as even mentionable - like say Taliban as one well-known culture. I in no way condone his behavior, I ask this to gain insight to his main culture of influence in his development.

I doubt that any of us here is ready to claim enough knowledge about Taliban as a culture
to credibly and conclusively state that for them raping their wives is a common practice.

just-tonight wrote:he's Finnish, Catholic and he HATES anything related to Arabs so he hates taliban and all this, you think Nordic guys are violent? many people think that.


"There are only two things that I hate in this world -
people who are intolerant of other people's cultures... and the Dutch."
just like Jesus Christ ordered... :)

Where I am from there is a good number of funny jokes about "Hot Nordic temper" :)
The question was for shockley123, dunno what he is going to say, but I say... noop...
"Nordic guys" I have known :roll: are not violent,
and yet gain... on a serious note...
healthy (psychologically stable) humans are not violent,
while some sick (psychologically unstable) humans are...

just-tonight, I wonder, your husband hates "anything related to Arabs so he hates taliban and all this", but somehow this hatred of his does not spread over to predominantly Hindu and Muslim population of Mumbai ?

he's not Dutch, he's Finnish there is a huge difference. but to answer your question the hatred spreads i mean he doesn't speak to them very often and if he's obliged he talks in a robotic formal way and then when they leave he would turn to me and start cursing and saying inappropriate stuff about them like huge insults in Finnish, he would always say they are stupid and disgusting and some other inappropriate stuff but never shows it to them.
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Re: what is my husband's condition?

Postby just-tonight » Sun Dec 28, 2014 9:33 pm

babybowrain wrote:hi GET THE HELL AWAY FROM HIM HE SOUNDS LIKE A CREEP. i dated a guy like that before. he molested me and was very violent with me. i think he is lying to you about who he is. i am speaking from life experience. what is your profession? what is his profession? are you the same ethnicity as him?

no he's not lying about who he is. I'm a Mathematics teacher and he's a business analyst

-- Sun Dec 28, 2014 11:39 pm --

Wolfy- wrote:
just-tonight wrote:i agree with every word you said but the thing is he hasn't always been like that i have met him in a college party,i was amazed by the fact that he was Finn and i'm half Finn myself so we started dating he was so nice and caring and would always show up when i needed him he was like a best friend except he was my BF and what made me fall even deeper the fact that he agreed to respect my boundaries and not have sex not even oral not nothing till after I'm married he respected that and kept his distance in a physical way but he would always give me the impression that he wants to make love to me so bad he wouldn't say it but i could see it in his eyes he wasn't checking me out or anything but if i accidentally brush against him he would smile and i could see he would be very happy. he was never violent except for one time a guy friend of mine pushed me in a fight it wasn't even that huge he was just upset and then my husband (BF at the time) attacked him and broke his nose and kept punching him i remember it was scary he acted like an animal literally he just punched him and went on top of him and kept punching him in a hysterical way that was the first time i saw him act like that. and then on our first night i was utterly shocked by what he did it was like he was a robot or a monster his face it was like he had no empathy for my pleads or cries and just changing positions and after he would ejaculate he would force me to give him oral then go back at it again and that was my first time and when i confronted him the next day he said he hadn't had any sex cuz he was waiting for me and that he was glad he waited. he said it in a way that didn't make me feel flattered but scared he was smiling that creepy smile like WOW i married a psycho what is that? 


my boundaries were a little too much, we would hold hands we kissed once or twice but any type of sexual action was a NO for me even if it was for him to feel me up actually anything that was sexual in nature or would get me aroused we didn't do he wanted but he respected me when i set those boundaries. he never tried anything against my will then he would ask me first and when i would refuse he would be like no problem
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Re: what is my husband's condition?

Postby Wolfy- » Mon Dec 29, 2014 12:05 am

just-tonight wrote:my boundaries were a little too much, we would hold hands we kissed once or twice but any type of sexual action was a NO for me even if it was for him to feel me up actually anything that was sexual in nature or would get me aroused we didn't do he wanted but he respected me when i set those boundaries. he never tried anything against my will then he would ask me first and when i would refuse he would be like no problem


See, I don't see that as being 'too much' when it comes to boundaries. :) When I first started dating my husband I didn't even want us to kiss until we got married. (Both of us went into the relationship with the belief that dating should be intentional and for the purpose of finding a marital partner)...that being said, it took communication and growing together to know when boundaries were meant to be moved along the way.

I think it's awesome that he respected your boundaries while you dated...but as I stated in my first post, sex is something to be agreed upon...and it horrifies me that he would so quickly turn and rip those boundaries to shreds. I can only imagine your horror in comparison! :shock: Your best friend became a monster in a matter of a few moments and now you're trying to find a way to bring him back because you love him...

I wish you all the best in that journey! I'll close with that here, but also want to pause and say: I know this is a super sensitive and delicate topic, so my inbox is open any time for PM.

Hugs hugs,
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Re: what is my husband's condition?

Postby shockley123 » Mon Dec 29, 2014 4:54 am

Taliban aren't Arabs, they are more Persian.

And it is well documented by human rights watch groups how women are beaten with sticks and child brides are very much raped. Women don't have a voice in Taliban culture, granted this may be in the most extreme sects within their ranks.

I have heard of another Iranian (Persian) man that married a US woman and he was a sadist. Plus she was saying they were in Mumbai, so culture-questioning was valid in my eyes.
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Re: what is my husband's condition?

Postby Snaga » Mon Dec 29, 2014 5:27 am

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