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dbx wrote:[Religion] has the power to give more meaning and deepness to their life. This is all due to how the mind works by nature.

We may think of us as intelligence, understanding, etc but in reality we are tiny creatures who constantly fail in understanding many things in our world and the universe. Not only because of difficulty in finding out but also because our tiny minds cannot grasp and are not meant to understand many things because of incompatibility and limitations... How can you not understand, or are incapable of, your own world but fully understand and know God which is something far more bigger than everything you know, and not only that but you've never seen it and don't have any way of proving its existence?
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religion doesn't prove but relies on trust/belief/faith with is not proof.
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[None] of the sides that participates can provide evidence for its claims that can be tested/verified by all humans.

I think it's good of you to acknowledge that neither man-made science nor man-made religion may be proven or disproven by their own methods. Many religions do add depth and meaning to our lives, as does science I believe, but I know that it's not only the natural workings of our minds that encourage us to believe in the unexplainable truths of our temporal and spiritual existence. It may seem paradoxical for me to agree with you that our minds and other faculties are limited by nature, but insist that I actually know something that I not only can't prove, but, as you said seems beyond the grasping of the human mind. There is only one instrument that can prove truth either scientific or religious to the human mind with absolute certainty and, at once, that same instrument can increase the capacity of our minds to be able to truly comprehend the truth it reveals. I'm talking about the Holy Ghost. (If) God is all powerful, why wouldn't he use that power to give us wisdom (James 1:5).
Click here to re-read my previous post about divine personal revelation.

Let me add, I find your argument solid despite any lack of proof. If God does not reveal truth to his children, then we must stay in darkness, whether technologically or religiously. If he does, however, as I testify he does, then we can find out and increase our knowledge of the truth.

Asuka wrote:He he,a few years ago I would be in the midst of this debate but I've seen it reinacted so many times and no side ever seems convinced to convert or deconvert. So, I'm not going to bother.

Yeah I know what you mean. I always think of this picture when I get into a debate on the internet.

S3 wrote:

dbx wrote:[Religion] has the power to give more meaning and deepness to their life. This is all due to how the mind works by nature.

We may think of us as intelligence, understanding, etc but in reality we are tiny creatures who constantly fail in understanding many things in our world and the universe. Not only because of difficulty in finding out but also because our tiny minds cannot grasp and are not meant to understand many things because of incompatibility and limitations... How can you not understand, or are incapable of, your own world but fully understand and know God which is something far more bigger than everything you know, and not only that but you've never seen it and don't have any way of proving its existence?
...
religion doesn't prove but relies on trust/belief/faith with is not proof.
...
[None] of the sides that participates can provide evidence for its claims that can be tested/verified by all humans.

I think it's good of you to acknowledge that neither man-made science nor man-made religion may be proven or disproven by their own methods. Many religions do add depth and meaning to our lives, as does science I believe, but I know that it's not only the natural workings of our minds that encourage us to believe in the unexplainable truths of our temporal and spiritual existence. It may seem paradoxical for me to agree with you that our minds and other faculties are limited by nature, but insist that I actually know something that I not only can't prove, but, as you said seems beyond the grasping of the human mind. There is only one instrument that can prove truth either scientific or religious to the human mind with absolute certainty and, at once, that same instrument can increase the capacity of our minds to be able to truly comprehend the truth it reveals. I'm talking about the Holy Ghost. (If) God is all powerful, why wouldn't he use that power to give us wisdom (James 1:5).
Click here to re-read my previous post about divine personal revelation.

Let me add, I find your argument solid despite any lack of proof. If God does not reveal truth to his children, then we must stay in darkness, whether technologically or religiously. If he does, however, as I testify he does, then we can find out and increase our knowledge of the truth.

http://www.richarddawkins.net/article,3 ... rd-Dawkins

Explains is so many words...