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Postby Cosmos » Wed Oct 15, 2008 3:03 am

I'm a solid atheist, through and through, for too many reasons to list. I'll go through several of my major reasons, aside from my views on science.

Some understand religious texts metaphorically, others understand them in literal terms. If faith in a religion makes you a better person and improves your quality of life, great. As long as you're not bothering anyone else, I don't see anything wrong with believing in any deity. However, in this world, that is seldom the case. I don't mean to say that on an indiviual level, religion is bad, but on a global scale, I would assert that. Religious conflict has plagued humanity from the very start. Even within practically every major world religion, you find problems and hypocrisy.

To me, religion is a human creation. Humans came up with the concept of dieties, humans wrote the religious texts, and humans changed religious practice as society evolved. Take a look at Christianity, for instance. Surely, few people today would claim that reading the Bible, the most reproduced book in existence, is sinful, yet several hundred years ago, you could be burned at the stake in the name of God for reading it if you weren't of the priestly class or distibuted it to peoples of the non-priestly class. There's a ridiculous amount of this sort of stuff all throughout the Bible and other Christian texts if you choose to look closely at it. Western religion especially is more a reflection of the times than anything else. Why are there also so many different religions when, according to their adherents, they're all the "correct" religion?

I also tire of hearing the agnostic arguments, particularly when used in the context supporting the existence of a divine entity or the supernatural. Of course, we cannot know beyond the shadow of a doubt whether a deity exists. But if I were to say that super-evolved, invisible giraffes living in space came down once a weak and adbucted a human being to feast upon, you'd probably think I was just making things up. But who's to say they don't really exist? After all, you can't prove that they don't exist. Likewise, you can't prove that vampires or brain-eating zombies don't exist, so therefore we must treat them as though they do exist, just in case. If we are to treat them as though they exist, though, shouldn't the burden lie on me to prove their existence? Likewise, if you're going to try to shape the world in which I live and tell me how to live my life (according to how God would want), then the burden of proof is on you to show that said God exists. A lack of evidence for something's non-existence is not proof of its existence.

All that being said, I apologize if I came across as being harsh or rude. I am not making any personal or character attacks. I am merely stating why I believe what I do.
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Postby aquagurl119 » Sat Oct 18, 2008 7:22 pm

It doesn't "make sense" because ya can't just flat out say there's no possibility of time travel, eh? So why rule out the POSSIBILITY of there bein a diety? Bein agnostic makes total sense, but not atheism...I'm not tryin to disrespect anybody k? I'm jus disagreeing.

Well I believe humans created religion too! Religion is following a set or beliefs on a diety. Spirituality is by far more inmportant than religion! Believing in God is one thing. Following a set of beliefs with a group of people is another.

Spirituality comes from your heart and what's inside you. Religion is more or less just a guideline. If yer religious without being spiritual, then what's the point of being religious? I'm by no means against religion alone. But I don't see the point of following one without feeling it inside yerself!

When talking about the existance of a diety, ya can't go by religion. This is where people get mixed up all the time! I hear a lot of people tryin to deny a diety by using the bible...OK, yer using religion here. Yer not using yer head! The existance of a diety goes far beyond religion and if ya wanna try and prove one, ya gotta go far out. (No I'm not a hippie :wink: )

I can say that I'm not much of a religious person, but very spiritual. It prolly comes from my native american-ness, but I really do find meaning in everything. I don't do stuff because a diety is watching me. I do stuff because I feel it's right inside of me! I don't need a babysitter - I'm all me!
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Postby Chucky » Sat Oct 18, 2008 8:47 pm

aquagurl119 wrote:It doesn't "make sense" because ya can't just flat out say there's no possibility of time travel, eh? So why rule out the POSSIBILITY of there bein a diety? Bein agnostic makes total sense, but not atheism...I'm not tryin to disrespect anybody k? I'm jus disagreeing.

Wait, Atheism is just the opposite of Deism; and both involve a belief in something of which there is no proof. Therefore, if you believe that Atheism does not make sense, then Deism also does not make sense. Agnosticism really is the best belief to have, but I am a firm Atheist.
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Postby aquagurl119 » Sat Oct 18, 2008 10:49 pm

Agnosticism is indeed the most logical :wink: But I will admit I am spiritual and stuff. I'm by no means sayin ya gotta be agnostic and ya can't be atheist or anything. You can be whatever ya wanna be, whether it makes sense or not!
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Postby Chucky » Sun Oct 19, 2008 12:00 am

You're an interesting person aquagurl - I am never sure what to make of you (Please take this as a compliment! :)). Curiously-enough, today I was looking at various churches in south-central Ireland because my brother will be getting married next year. Again, curiously-enough, he's an Atheist!
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Postby aquagurl119 » Sun Oct 19, 2008 11:27 pm

I did take that as a compliment. Most people don't know what to make of me. I'm mysterious. and it is true I'm obsessed with water...I won't lie :lol:
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Postby cheesychips4320 » Fri Oct 24, 2008 12:04 am

water is quite cool, there are plenty of things that are very interesting about it if you look beyond it being just plain water. i wanted to do a huge list and stuff lol but it thought i better not have an AS moment when im not in the AS forum.

oh yeah and im atheist. i would like to be agnostic but somehow just cant bring myself to believe that any deity (at least in the way we think of them) could exist. makes more sense to be agnostic though since their is no proof either way.
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Postby Chucky » Fri Oct 24, 2008 1:33 pm

Why did you all-of-a-sudden mention water? I agree that it's very interesting though. In fact, there was a whole chapter devoted to the water molecule in my Biochemistry class last year. Without water, life - as we know it - couldn't exist. The human body - and all other animals - are made up of mainly water. I'm pretty sure that it's 70%+ water. Surprising to think of, but very true.

Ah, I just looked it up - It's 78% water.

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Postby aquagurl119 » Thu Nov 13, 2008 6:43 am

Why did I mention water? Cuz I was talking about how people find me interesting and one of my main interesting qualities is my obsession with water LOL.
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Postby Chucky » Thu Nov 13, 2008 9:16 pm

Oh, that explains why you are the 'aqua' girl. I was actually referring to cheesychips in my previous post though (I did not understand why he started talking about water). Why are you obsessed with water though? Do you like to have showers?; swimming?; drinking it?

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