Who will be our next president?

seanetal wrote:I have to back out of this conversation now. Otherwise I'd be forced to respond to more republican ignorance... aquagirl is insinuating that just because the candidate she opposes wants to become president he must be some evil threat. Gee, what do you think the Bush regime has been seen as for the past 8 years?

WOW! Do you ever like to jump to conclusions. First of all, you are assuming I say that just because I don't like Obama...which is wrong in all aspects. I'm saying because of the evidence. Plus keep in mind I said potential...but in reality, every candidate has a dangerous potential. I didn't like Kerry and I never said that about him. I couldn't stand Hillary and I never said that stuff about her! It's the fact that it seems fishy with Obama...not because I just plain don't like him and I'm trying to blow things out of proportion!

EDIT: Heya...sorry if I came across kinda harsh there. I didn't like the "aquagurl is insinuating that just because the candidate she opposes wants to become president he must be some evil threat." because my reasoning goes beyond the fact that I oppose him.

George W Bush is the biggest threat to American Safety I know of. His policies have made it dangerous for Americans to travel abroad. Some travel companies are now coaching their customers to say they are Canadian when overseas for their own safety. The world in general hates us because of the policies of this President, and I for one and hoping that McCain gets beat in a landslide because he would change very little if he was elected.

So you have real evidence eh? Then try using that "reasoning" because you certainly haven't thus far. The facts are that MOST republicans are afraid because he is different than they are used to. The arguments I have heard most from those afraid of an Obama Presidency are:

He has a scary middle name (the name is a masculine form of the word meaning "beauty")
He is a "secret muslim" (his father and paternal grandmother are muslim, he is and has always been a christian)
He "pals around with terrorists" (please he was 8 years old when that happened and the same "terrorist" was just named a Chicago Citizen of the Year recently)
His programs are "socialist" (then the current US is a socialist country because most of his proposals are nothing new)

So let's hear your amazing reasoning skills and I'll slap them down as well with what they call unbiased research via what are known as news sites. Please note that doesn't include Fox, because it is simply a Conservative Trash Factory.

EDIT: told ya I shoulda backed out, but you wanted to claim evidence without actually posting any of it because most of it probably comes from Fox or some other Conservative Pundit that knows attacking on the issues won't get them anywhere so they have to play on the fear of the ignorant and racist out there.

Let's take a look at temperament here... you have Barack Obama - cool, calm, collected. Then you have John McCain who has actually frightened other members of the senate with his temper.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VYoL8CNKT54
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Dangerous is a man with a temper and poor judgment having access to a trigger. Dangerous is an ill-tempered President who would likely wind up losing whatever respect we still have out there in the world. That leads to America standing alone against any threat we face in the future. We have few friends left in the world thanks to "W", I'd like to keep the remaining allies around.

The reason we're seeing more attack ads from McCain, more robocalls, more claims of associations that aren't there, is that McCain can't win on the issues. By all counts he lost all three debates soundly, even the "town hall" debate which he supposedly is the best at. His bailout of the mortgage crisis lets banks off the hook while penalizing taxpayers. His health plan would wind up losing many their employer insurance which would cost $12,000 on average to replace... but hey, McCain will give them $5,000 to find insurance elsewhere so anyone with a pre-existing condition would be in the hole by thousands of dollars - which by the way includes anyone with a diagnosed Mental Illness.

The man hired the same firm which he denounced for negative robocalls against him in 2000 (hired by none other than W himself) to launch a smear campaign against Obama. He has no real arguments so he name calls, and he has Palin make wild accusations.

What happened to the McCain I respected when I lived in Arizona 12 years ago?

MrParanoia wrote:Barack Obama ftw. Maybe he'll fix our damn health care system so I can finally see a psychiatrist!

My thoughts exactly.

From my point of view, the US health-care system is atrocious, but you don't seem to know any better. Here, for example, everyone is entitled to free health-care (although, you might be waiting a long time in some cases). I think it's the same in Canada, right? You spend so much on your damn paranoia (i.e. - military), that you forget about the welfare of your own people. From the outside looking in, the USA is in no way an ideal to strive towards.

In the US sadly, Republicans have always considered any sort of govt supported healthcare system "socialist" so they fight any movement towards a fair health plan. Right now they're trying to label Obama as a socialist and even a communist for his tax policy. Another pathetic attempt to scare voters.

Don't worry Sean, McCain just comes across as desperate and pathetic now in his attempts to claw back voters. On the other hand, everything Obama does gets him more support. It will be a proud day in US history when this man becomes president.

Definitely! I'm planning to throw a helluva party that night and on Bush's last day.

http://www.officialbushcountdown.com/?g ... awodziDALg

I'd probably snap one of those clocks up immediately were it not for the recession that we are currently in here! It's a nice touch that they've used a Clinton impersonator in the ad on the website too

Regardless of his personal life, Bill Clinton was a very popular president here in Ireland. I remember when he came to do his book-signing in Dublin and the whole city just stopped. It was the biggest crowd for any signing. On the other hand, when George Bush was here a few years ago, there were riots - go figure.

seanetal, I gave my reasoning. It's common sense. I'm here to debate, not to have you scream at me through words on a screen! You don't have to make yer posts implying that I'm some kind of idiot. If that's what you think of me, fine. I don't care what you think of me. But that doesn't allow you to attack me. If I came across as attacking anyone, I didn't mean to and I apologize.

I got strong beliefs and I don't care if people want to debate them as long as I don't feel like someone is attacking me personally along with it. Again, I may have seemed like I was doin that and if I did I'm sorry cuz it's not how I intended it.

I could be wrong about ya sean, but it certainly seemed like you weren't just attacking the republican party, but me personally. If ya were just attackin the party, cool. Me? Not cool.