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Who will be our next president?

Forget about mental illness for a while and just let loose in here.

Who would you vote for today?

Hillary Clinton (D)
3
5%
Barack Obama (D)
38
67%
John McCain (R)
10
18%
Mike Huckabee (R)
2
4%
Ron Paul (R)
4
7%
 
Total votes : 57

Postby seanetal » Fri Oct 17, 2008 9:27 pm

Yeah Chucky, but the sad thing here is that these folks are out there in droves. Fear and ignorance is rampant in the country right now. I don't know where it all came from... oh yeah, the Republican policies of the past 8 years. When you watch even a few minutes of Faux News you see the fear mongering machine in action - the following was one of their more blatant attempts to scare the folks in the heartland who only see african americans on tv and in movies.

http://www.buzzfeed.com/nickdouglas/fox ... ncidence-t

The ignorance is incredible.
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Postby Chucky » Fri Oct 17, 2008 11:30 pm

Sean, don't you think that Fox News is an example of when too much freedom can become problematic? I mean, each time I put that news channel on here, I laugh my head off at how idiotic and ignorant the entire channel is. I can assure you right now that there is no such channel that biased and ignorant here in Ireland.

Your nation has a lot to admire, but so much to not admire too. Take a look over the fence at Canada - they seem to do things right.

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Postby bereft » Sat Oct 18, 2008 8:51 pm

Considering the freedom of the press is one of those rights viewed as so essential that it was included in the Bill of Rights, that does not strike me as a particularly appealing idea.

Like Fox or not, it carries the same immunity as any other press organization or even fringe internet site.

People should be educated enough to evaluate what they hear through any news source. Fewer and fewer are, so we have an electorate voting on the basis of SNL, the Colbert Report, and Jay Leno monologues. Such ignorance and laziness will produce a government that is well suited for the masses that brought it to fruition.

I find the most interesting part of this thread that most of the respondents have been non-US citizens. I don't see much interest here in the elections of other countries, so why are people so passionate about the election of an official that only indirectly affects their lives? America -- like it or hate it, what is for sure is that everyone has an opinion about it.
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Postby Chucky » Sat Oct 18, 2008 9:17 pm

Hi,

The USA is the most powerful nation in the world. Therefore, every citizen on earth has a vested interest in who becomes president of the USA. We must also realise that the USA has the annoying habit of trying to get involved in every big event that happens in the world. Plus, if they do not agree with the international community, they typically do their own thing anyway (and nobody stops them (Remember the fact that the UN did not want the USA to invade Iraq, but they did anyway?)). For these reasons, every person on earth has a right to voice their opinion, maybe even vote! :)
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Postby bereft » Sat Oct 18, 2008 10:38 pm

Chucky,

I certainly agree that everyone is entitled to their opinon, and of course, their vote within the constraints of their own country. Thanks to to US efforts, many more Iraqis have been given just such a privilege.

The UN had no problem issuing toothless sanctions against Iraq and, as is often the case, the US carried the majority of the weight, both in personnel and financing, of containiing Saddam.

I would be quite happy if the US no longer felt the need, or was called upon by the world, to be the global cop. And moving the UN out of New York and withdrawing from it entirely, would be a positive thing from my perspective.

Let the oppressed remain enslaved, let the starving die, let the nuclear bullies intimidate their neighbors -- the US should be concentrating on its own problems and let other countries fend for themselves. Isolationism has its merits.
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Postby aquagurl119 » Sat Oct 18, 2008 10:44 pm

Asuka wrote:
aquagurl119 wrote:meh whatever. Yer words don't phase me one bit :P Nobody can change my opinion of the left side. It's just the way I am. Ya can argue it all ya want, but to sway me is a completely different story!

I just don't see how the dems think that makin the rich poorer helps things at all! It's common sense that if the big companies get bigger then those poor people will have better job opportunities! whoa ok they won't be getting stuff for free anymore! Boo hoo! Now they have enough money to pay for it themselves and be like everybody else!

Is this getting too hot for this forum? I don't wanna go over the top...






Watch this.He totally opposes your arguments.( Includes some intellectually passionate swearing.)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6J38zFMtDt0


He may oppose em, but that don't mean he's right :lol:

I don't wanna get inappropriate and offensive...and that's not what I am intending in any way. But I want to provoke some thought:

Look at how many people fall for Obama as if he is a holy man or something! The world's choice is Obama! Obama Mania! Why?

You wanna talk doomsday 2012? If Obama ran for 4 years, he'd be ending his term then. People fall for him in a, no offense, but freakishly obsessive way. I aint sayin that all of you are like that. Some people just like him for his policies. But too many people are almost like hypnotized and brainwashed. I know I will get a lot a crud for sayin this. But I can't deny it! It goes beyond simple politics for a lot a people.

Chucky brought up two excellent points!

The USA is the most powerful nation in the world.

We are! and if someone wanted to rule the world, wouldn't he want to gain control of the most powerful nation? The world is attracted to Obama! I repeat the world...

The appeal of Obama is ceaseless

Must I explain any more? I don't mean to pick on ya, Chuck. But that post is a great example of what I'm talking about.

My honest opinion in a nutshell - Obama is a potential danger.

I really really don't want this to offend people. I aint tryin to disrespect people's beliefs. This is what I truely believe and I have the right to express that.

Thank you.
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Postby aquagurl119 » Sat Oct 18, 2008 10:52 pm

Sadly though, it seems like many anti republicans go anti american...It always seems to be the extreme liberals who cross out american flags... :?
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Postby Chucky » Sat Oct 18, 2008 11:57 pm

Asuka wrote:Meh. Everyone knows the prime reason Bush illegally invaded Iraq was due to oil. I mean there were far worse regimes than Husseins, especially in Africa, however Africa has no oil so no wonderful democracy and liberation for them. I doubt any super-power can have an isolationist policy that does not effect the rest of the world.

Also the U.S. had no problem in selling weapons to the Hussein regime when it benefitted them. Now if you will excuse me I'm off to Baghdad to hunt down one of those elusive weapons of mass destruction.

(Not an anti American rant, more an anti- "Republican" rant.")

Did you also know that the US actually funded and armed the Taliban in Afghanistan prior to 2001? The Russians invaded Afghanistan (which the US didn't like). So, the US helped the Pakistanis and the Taliban to fight-back against the Russians. Then, the US support for the Taliban came back to haunt them when the Taliban took control of the Afghan government and eventually orchestrated 9/11.

Invading Iraq was definately for oil. Prior to the war, Saddam Husseim threatened to no longer sell oil in the US dollar, which would have meant substantially less profit for the US. Also, I believe that they invaded Iraq because George Bush Snr. had failed to overthrow Saddam many years earlier. There is proof of this when, shortly after the invasion, George Bush Jnr. came out with the following: "...after all, he [Saddam Hussein] tried to kill my dad".

American culture is not the way forward for this world. It promotes greed and too much freedom. When humans - as a society - have too much freedom, systems gradually disintegrate. Next time you ring the customer service department of any major corporation, you'll understand what I mean.

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Postby seanetal » Sun Oct 19, 2008 5:35 pm

I have to back out of this conversation now. Otherwise I'd be forced to respond to more republican ignorance... aquagirl is insinuating that just because the candidate she opposes wants to become president he must be some evil threat. Gee, what do you think the Bush regime has been seen as for the past 8 years?
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Postby Chucky » Sun Oct 19, 2008 7:45 pm

You guys over there seem to treat each other as entirely different animal species (with regard to which political party you support). Here, nobody really cares who anyone supports. This might of course be because Ireland has nowhere near the amount of power that America has. Whoever gets into the 'hot seat' in the White House really does have an influence on the world as a whole.
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