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Emotion=>Action (Emotion ,,software" problem)

Postby JohnGreg » Sat Jun 04, 2011 8:44 pm

Actions are based on emotion - upon which a layer of reason may be added - but my emotions occur in a disorganized, inappropriate fashion. What should I do?
I'm someone who thinks, and has hard-wired himself to think - as often as possible - objectively (from a biological, chemical, physical, cosmological and quantum view). What is the best way to figure out how I feel? And, most importantly, if I do figure it out, on what terms do I decide whether I to follow (emotion) or not? Do you have any tips for reestablishing connections with my feelings - I fear they have gone bleak? They have faded away during my years of constantly thinking of myself and the world objectively.
P.S.: I am fully capable of feeling; it's just that they are quite chaotic - for I have unintentionally shattered the (normal) grounds upon which I could manage them. How do I rebuild them? Any advice?
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Re: Emotion=>Action (Emotion ,,software" problem)

Postby johnbc » Sat Jun 04, 2011 9:33 pm

sure...i'll try. lets use the sport of football as an analogy.

the emotion of football comes out when you are doing (playing) the game...in the heat of the moment, ya know. with winning and success an objective of the sport, time must be spent studying and pondering football theory, in order to maximize the quality of the doing (playing the game).

you generally find more emotions related to doing things...hm? as opposed to thinking/pondering.

sooooo...just do anything. devote little time to figuring out what to do before...consider afterwards. of course, i am assuming your own safety is to be considered before hand.
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Re: Emotion=>Action (Emotion ,,software" problem)

Postby katana » Sat Jun 04, 2011 10:48 pm

I get what you're saying there, sounds like you've used intellectualisation as a defence against chaotic emotion. i'vedone some of that too - and my therapist pointed it out too, i understand what she meant now i think about it. a good start might be when you think about things make sure to recognise what you're feeling. i used to make all the wrong desicions because i would try to think about everything, but have learned while logic is good for weighing things up, without mixing feeling in with that decisions can end up very meaningless and often not what you really want.

if emotions are chaotic, you can recognise feelings first, then ask yourself "does that make sense?" instead of using one instead of the other, i guess using both at the same time means learning to apply them to each other. i reckon emotional spontenaity might mean going deeper than that and exploring why you've put a lid/damper on your emotional responses in the first place.

i agree with johnbc, exploring emotion often means putting yourself in situations that bring emotions up. there is a certain amount you can do by trying to figure things out. after that, there is a point where you hit a brick wall with that on its own and need to start going out there and doing. i think that tends to be true whatever you're dealing with.

but when you're first doing it, try with little things like making everyday desicions (inability to make desicions or making ones you think about for ages and regret is a big sign of doing this), i found there were other reasons why figuring that out was hard for me at times, but this was part of it. try to concentrate on your emotions and figure out what you want emotionally. imagine yourself doing stuff and "feel it out" instead of weighing up pros & cons etc. but re-involving emotion in ways you wouldn't can be done as a nice slow gentle process, sorting out the emotions that come up might bring up some of those chaotic emotions that could be harder to deal with, so go gently!

hopefully something there can help! :)
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Re: Emotion=>Action (Emotion ,,software" problem)

Postby JohnGreg » Tue Jun 07, 2011 12:19 pm

Thank you for the info. :)
But I still have some questions.
If meaning is given by the person and the person doesn't find meaning in giving meaning, he would have to sort out his emotions, right? For they are the ones that ultimately cause action.
My chaotic emotions don't affect me any more (extremely less compared to how they used to). I have put a stop to them and have had them replaced with logic and reason (the best kind I could possibly procure). I have severed my emotional ties. The emotions still remain (dormant), but I have removed their sense of purpose. The only way for me to feel anymore is to do the rational thing, and the rational thing is to allow the emotions (irational inbuilt ,,programs" based on survival and means to achieve it) to have a active part in my life. But I can't seem to do it. I can't do something by my own intention which I consider irrational. I'm trying but, by studying every aspect I could of physics, chemistry, biology, philosophy, and literature, the only conclusion I could get was: To pursue a goal (any goal) emotional motivation is needed.
How can I get past this automated "nothing illogical or irrational gets past" system that I have constructed to escape chaotic emotions?

Whenever I pursue emotions or feelings I tend to obsess over them. I tend to get addicted to them. I want more and more and I end up ruining certain situations. However, if I pursue them in a balanced way, I tend to get bored of them or see them as useless, due to their inferior intensity compared to the ones I obsess over.
It seems I am due to live my life always automatically avoiding actively engaging in my emotions. I can live with that, but I want to be sure there isn't other way.
Please, if you have the time, I would like to hear your opinion. I have ran out of ideas.
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Re: Emotion=>Action (Emotion ,,software" problem)

Postby johnbc » Thu Jun 09, 2011 5:32 pm

it is some difficult to put what your trying to say into context, for me. perhaps drop all the abstract discussions for now and talk on your things, people, events, work, and loves that relate. after discussing more concrete things, am sure your abstract discussions will acquire context that allows for better quality responses.
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Re: Emotion=>Action (Emotion ,,software" problem)

Postby katana » Fri Jun 10, 2011 1:20 am

OK, I'll think about it, i better get some sleep right now cause its late, but will reply tomorrow! :)
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Re: Emotion=>Action (Emotion ,,software" problem)

Postby katana » Fri Jun 10, 2011 7:48 pm

ok, reading over that again I'm thinking 2 things, 1, that if you've disconnected your emotions from purpose in your own mind by actively (cognitively) doing that, something like CBT, using some sort of cognitive thought process would probably reverse that quite effectively....

BUT imho, the human mind is very good at healing itself when given the opportunity. im trying to read into things here, but if your emotions have caused chaos in your life before and you've done this to as a result, there must be some fear or concern regarding your emotions in there somewhere. i think you need to deal with that before you can reconnect them.

once you get round to reconnecting, its a simple process of just practicing feeling them and being involved with it - reconnecting your thoughts with your emotions, the human mind is built for learning!

im guessing a good way to figure out the middle bit is try that reconnection process a little and see what it throws up for you, when something happens, stop trying to push it further, stay still, and explore what's going on at the time until you make a breakthrough with it and can go a little further. hopefully that helps. :)
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