From hell...ring a bell?

Ever felt you have fallen in love with a Demon from Hell? I have.

The reason why Im posting today is mainly to get some good advice, and eventually to give some.

After 3 breakups and around 9 months of games...Ive finally come to the conclusion that she is NUTS...she always went on how her whole family was "anti-social' and tha her sister was narcissistic..she told me to "stay away from them, they will hurt you'...only to discover later that shes the one with the problem.

Ive visited many sites on NPD, and HPD...I am convinced 100% she has either one. The ting is...I now want revenge.

It seems to me everyone is saying "get out while you still can"...but I dont want to. I firmly beleive she cant 'win", Im way smarter than she is, probably even more narcissistic than she is, and I will destroy her. I dont know how, but I will.

The last breakup (the week before she was talking about marriage) she leaves this message on my phone : i cant be with someone who has an IQ of a diner plate and whom I have to baby-sit all the time...so im calling to break up with you ...go to hell"...holy $#%^, that pretty much confirmed all those red flags I had this whole time...

So, I ask you, whoever reads this post: is there a way I can 'get back' without hurting myself too much in the process? Now that I know 'how she works', I dont fear emotional torture from her..im disconnected. All I want now is to praise her, give her all the supply she needs, and extact the amazing sex I get from her....thats it. And when Ive had enough, Ill reveal to her I knew all along what she was 'trying' to do...and give her the biggest narcissitic injury she'll ever get in life...

thinking about this gives me great joy.

What do you think? I must sound disturbed...but Im thinking its just a temporary narcissistc reaction to all the emotional abuse this b**** has put me through.

Wanna piss her off for good?

Make out with an attractive girl right in front of her eyes!
She will feel ugly and will be envious of the other girl.

"Ever felt you have fallen in love with a Demon from Hell? I have."

Yes.

At first she seemed to be everything I always wanted in a woman. Extremely nice, liked the same things I do, loving, kind, observant and thoughtful but like all histrionic/narcissistic personality disordered she was just stealing my personality making me feel I'd met my soulmate when in fact all I met was a very sick and troubled girl who was lonely and depressed both ailments brought about by the horrible HPD/NPD combo which she is most certainly afflicted with.

"narcissistic..she told me to "stay away from them, they will hurt you'...only to discover later that shes the one with the problem."

She was using projection here though there is probably some truth to her statements about her family members.

"The last breakup (the week before she was talking about marriage) she leaves this message on my phone : i cant be with someone who has an IQ of a diner plate and whom I have to baby-sit all the time...so im calling to break up with you ...go to hell"...holy $#%^, that pretty much confirmed all those red flags I had this whole time..."

Wow, well mine was certainly much more subtle with her cruelty. I told her she'd seemed distant lately and if she was feeling different we could go back to being friends she said no and re-assured me of her feelings for me but then two weeks later ended it coldly and cruelly on my birthday not even allowing us to talk it out or be friends. She did this to be in control of when it ended (as the literature says they often will do) and to give me the most pain possible because in her sick mind she believed I had wronged her by not wanting a relationship with her sooner like all of the other guys.

I was going through hell in my life at the time she was coming onto me so a relationship even with someone as beautiful and seemingly kind as she was, was out of the question. After the hell in my life was over eventually she trapped me into a relationship with her making me believe she cared about me oh so much for a very long time.

All lies and probably just an elaborate revenge plot on her part as well as a way to get her disgusting but very much needed to feel alive attention fix.

Also an ego boost to her as like a good friend named Alice pointed out to me when we recounted our tales of being abused by the personality disordered to eachother that I was the one that couldn't be caught so to finally catch me and get me wanting her my HPD could feel whole again like she was still sexy and desired something my very reasonable rejection of her had made her doubt for some time.

"So, I ask you, whoever reads this post: is there a way I can 'get back' without hurting myself too much in the process? Now that I know 'how she works', I dont fear emotional torture from her..im disconnected. All I want now is to praise her, give her all the supply she needs, and extact the amazing sex I get from her....thats it. And when Ive had enough, Ill reveal to her I knew all along what she was 'trying' to do...and give her the biggest narcissitic injury she'll ever get in life...

thinking about this gives me great joy."

Look up Sam Vaknin and read his NPD site. Its very good and will show you what to do. I think it says if you want to exact a large Narcissistic injury on someone with NPD you must do what they do ie you lift them up up up with your compliments and praise then withdraw and when they try to manipulate you to give them attention and love look them straight in the face and say they are not beautiful/handsome enough for your needs to be met any longer and if they want you they must try harder and tell them that with the way they look to you now trying harder probably won't even work so your very likely considering moving on.

"What do you think? I must sound disturbed...but Im thinking its just a temporary narcissistc reaction to all the emotional abuse this b**** has put me through."

I had the temporary narcissistic reaction too after my HPD/NPD was done using me up for all I was worth to her. This reaction is necessary to prevent every victim of theirs from cracking and is completely natural.

So yeah your feelings are probably a result of this.

In any case though I've pointed you in the right direction to accomplish what you want to accomplish with this woman I do not condone what you are planning.

It is your life so do what you will.

RCD listened to all of us and tried to re-engage with his HPD despite all of our good advice and look what happened to him.

Trying to be helpful I could tell you not to be the next RCD but I know people will do what they want to do anyway so...

Good luck with whatever you decide to do lol.

thanx guys for the info and tips...I share in your pain, its almost evil....but I do know that these people didnt ask for this condition...

Did your N say that she was sexuallu abused as a child? She would usually bring that up as an excuse whenever she was feeling down, etc...and usually after a lie that I confronted her with. The first time I confronted her, she exploded, called me a f*** a*hole and pushed me twice...I started to walk away and told her "im breakin up with you" and she goes :no wait, dont go...come back lets talk..." I walked away twice, she turned pathetic...but then as we were talking (cause i came back to here to "resolve" the dispute) I thought perhaps the argument would be resolved peacefully, and we would be able to go out again (at this point I didnt suspect yet she had HPD)...just as I thought she wa going to say "youre right, I lied to you, im sorry...lets make up" she goes :"forget it, now I know exactly what you are like...im breaking up with you"...HAHA! man, I couldnt beleive it....

She did this 3 times ubtil I finally realized what she had: HPD.

Who is this person you are talking about....RCD? what happened to him?

All I know is she played on the fact I am a "good, trusting person", and I am apainfully forgiving...which makes me the perfect sucker for people with HPD.

Oh yea, shes always going on about how she doesnt like to use condoms during sex....is this a control thing so that she can potentially get pregnant with whoever she wants...to trap the guy?

Is there a way around this so I can get her to use them? I dont trust the pill, shes done that to me before going "oh, I made a mistake with my period...I might be pregant" thank God she wasnt...!

man i hate her

"thanx guys for the info and tips...I share in your pain, its almost evil....but I do know that these people didnt ask for this condition..."

Well that is true that they didn't ask for the condition but the research shows they know right from wrong and do what they want that will hurt people an incredible amount anyways because people are expendable objects to them. So I'd say because they know they will produce hurt and keep repeating the cycle anyway its not almost evil what they do but evil plain and simple mental illness or not.

Cluster B's are not delusional and have good memories like us. They come to different conclusions than us with their memories because they have deeply imbedded harmful self destructive belief systems but yes indeed they have good memory.

"Did your N say that she was sexuallu abused as a child?"

She never outright said it to me but she strongly hinted her father had done something to her most likely sexual.

"She would usually bring that up as an excuse whenever she was feeling down, etc...and usually after a lie that I confronted her with. The first time I confronted her, she exploded, called me a f*** a*hole and pushed me twice..."

My HPD/NPD would never explode at me with such words but would act extremely childish and cold but most of the time when I would tell her off she acted like a sad wounded little girl I now see in retrospect that felt she deserved the abuse I was heaping on her. Note: It wasn't really abuse just pointing out her lies and criticizing her behaviour but I felt she took it as abuse.

"I started to walk away and told her "im breakin up with you" and she goes :no wait, dont go...come back lets talk..." I walked away twice, she turned pathetic...but then as we were talking (cause i came back to here to "resolve" the dispute) I thought perhaps the argument would be resolved peacefully, and we would be able to go out again (at this point I didnt suspect yet she had HPD)...just as I thought she wa going to say "youre right, I lied to you, im sorry...lets make up" she goes :"forget it, now I know exactly what you are like...im breaking up with you"...HAHA! man, I couldnt beleive it...."

Yep, she had to have things on her terms like all HPD's do.

"She did this 3 times ubtil I finally realized what she had: HPD.

Who is this person you are talking about....RCD? what happened to him?"

rcd1390.

He's a poster on this board who detailed for us his destructive HPD relationship. Just browse this board and you'll see his stories.

"All I know is she played on the fact I am a "good, trusting person", and I am apainfully forgiving...which makes me the perfect sucker for people with HPD."

Yes. They love to target nice guys with their false love. They want guys that they think are easy to manipulate who won't question them on their lies or anything harmful that they do.

"Oh yea, shes always going on about how she doesnt like to use condoms during sex....is this a control thing so that she can potentially get pregnant with whoever she wants...to trap the guy?"

Possibly. My HPD said she didn't like condoms either.
I think though this could have many different angles to it.
Ok the thing about HPD's is they do everything possible to turn a man on. Its like these girls are the very essence of sex. So the no condom thing she may have just been saying to turn you on like I believe mine did or she really is looking for a guy to trap into child support payments so she can leech off of him. Human parasite is so the proper term for HPD's like this.

"Is there a way around this so I can get her to use them? I dont trust the pill, shes done that to me before going "oh, I made a mistake with my period...I might be pregant" thank God she wasnt...!

man i hate her"

Sam Vaknin's NPD site says that HPD is simply NPD using the body to get the narcissistic supply so read up on his site as I think I found an article once that tells how to get the narcissist to do what you want them to do.

Basically I think Sam said you have to make what you want them to do appear glorious like it would bring them honor or make them feel really special or some such.

Maybe you could try telling her that classy women use condoms and that she is so above any regular old woman out there that you are surprised she doesn't want to use them.

LOL, just an idea.

Read his site and you may think of something better.

ok, Ive read the posts on this RDC guy...

(I apologize in advance for my obvious anger...but she broke up with me right before christmas when I was supposed to propose to her on the 25th...and my family was going to be over too, to be there)

I am aware of the tricks, I know the tactics...projection, idealisation/devaluation, blah blah..etc...

I dont want a RELATIONSHIP with this b****, I just want to destroy her...know what I mean? Can you FEEL the intense HATE as I do right now? All the bs man...all the lies...getting me to doubt myself...all the gifts I got her...#@$% arrggggg

I dont see how I can get her to come back to me now that she broke up...Again, I DONT WANT to go "out with her" again...I just want to "lure her back in" so I can play the game...and totally get her back.

Whats the best tactic to lure her back in, whitout spending money....Ill fake it all, I dont care..I just want her lured back in and then do something to wreck her.

All my instincts are telling me to just "let it go" but my inner rage is yelling : pay back time. Man, I even am thinkig of ...well...i dont know...geeze I scae myself by saying this but Id love to actually end her life, so to speak...is this normal reaction...like Im acually thinking of it..

Can anyone relate to "that" reaction?

haha dude! thats a great idea! Man...the fun I will have with her, its going to great. Ill keep you guys posted...I hope some of you will be able to enjoy the revenge with me, somehow.

Ive always been "a nice guy", so this time screw it: I want to get her back, and she'll never suspect it cause 'im a nice guy'...

she even said once how God had me protected..that no matter what people do to me He will always bring me back...that I had a "white aura" around me...a white knight...she said...of course that got my attention...she knew exactly what I wanted to hear

dam it shes evil

"I dont want a RELATIONSHIP with this b****, I just want to destroy her...know what I mean? Can you FEEL the intense HATE as I do right now? All the bs man...all the lies...getting me to doubt myself...all the gifts I got her...#@$% arrggggg"

Believe me I've been there. I've never felt so much love or hate as this woman was able to produce in me so yes I know exactly what you mean.

Be glad you and I have empathy unlike them so that we can put ourselves in the shoes of others and identify with them.

"I dont see how I can get her to come back to me now that she broke up...Again, I DONT WANT to go "out with her" again...I just want to "lure her back in" so I can play the game...and totally get her back.

Whats the best tactic to lure her back in, whitout spending money....Ill fake it all, I dont care..I just want her lured back in and then do something to wreck her."

If you have a female friend who is very beautiful willing to help you out and you two can be seen somewhere where this woman will see the both of you together possibly kissing she will get in her mind that its amazing you could move on so quickly and very likely want you back as a result. She may even come up and try to talk to you all sweet like when you're with this woman to see if she can get you to pay attention to her. Act interested but only in a cold detached kind of way if you follow me. Like oh hey how ya doin? Well its nice talking to you but as you can see we're busy here, etc.

"All my instincts are telling me to just "let it go" but my inner rage is yelling : pay back time. Man, I even am thinkig of ...well...i dont know...geeze I scae myself by saying this but Id love to actually end her life, so to speak...is this normal reaction...like Im acually thinking of it..

Can anyone relate to "that" reaction?"

Yes, the murderous rages are normal as Sam Vaknin's site pointed out to me. I had them towards my HPD too for a time. I loved her so much more than anything even more than myself and all she could do was return my love with cheating, lies and betrayel. Now she is with some semi famous nerd and cheating on him as well according to her pretty blond friend who asked me what was going on with her.

Anyway I felt like you about revenge but then just ask yourself this...

Can all the revenge in the world make the woman you thought she was become real? Can it really put an end to your pain or even give you long term satisfaction??

Psychologist Al Bernstein said the only way an emotional vampire will ever learn anything is by experiencing consequences to their actions.

So while I don't fully condone your narcissistic injury idea I don't fully condemn it either.

They can learn from experience if the experience brings pain.

So if you go through with this plan just keep the pain of hers emotional so A. You don't go to prison and B. She actually learns not to do this crap to others in the future.

"haha dude! thats a great idea! Man...the fun I will have with her, its going to great. Ill keep you guys posted...I hope some of you will be able to enjoy the revenge with me, somehow."

If you have AIM or MSN PM me your info so I can have a minute by minute breakdown of the events lol.

ok...Im going to calm down, it just still fresh (a week really). I will keep it emotional, but somehow I get the feeling I might just let it go...its kinda the whole anakin going over to the dark side thing...maybe if I start this whole revenge thing, Ill just get myself into a place psychologically I wont be able to get out of, and it could escalate into physical violence,

Anyways ,Ill keep things cool for now, I will see a therapist though cause man.....it really hurts. Ive been in "normal" relationships, and the breakups hurt, but nothing like this!

I will learn from this, and I will share what I have learnt to others, for sure...its just so maddening. My family will never understand the pain cause they think "we just broke up"...my sisters still talk to her, they are friends....now she can get to me through them.

(close my eyes...breath in calmly)....im just glad I didnt marry her, or get her pregnant...

Thanks though for all the help, really...I feel relieved to know other people have gone through this...God bless you my friend

"ok...Im going to calm down, it just still fresh (a week really). I will keep it emotional, but somehow I get the feeling I might just let it go...its kinda the whole anakin going over to the dark side thing...maybe if I start this whole revenge thing, Ill just get myself into a place psychologically I wont be able to get out of, and it could escalate into physical violence,"

LOL, I got Star Wars Episode III for Christmas (great movie btw) and as I was watching it I thought of Obi Wan's relationship to Anakin and how it parelleled mine with my HPD.

Its just like when talking to my friend Alice about how we were victimized by our Cluster B personality disordered significant others how alike our experiences are and it just proves my point once again as you and I are now thinking about Star Wars over it lmao.

"Anyways ,Ill keep things cool for now, I will see a therapist though cause man.....it really hurts. Ive been in "normal" relationships, and the breakups hurt, but nothing like this!"

I've talked to a guy who was in pain for 3 years over being victimized by a cluster b girl and read about others where the relationship was over for years and still bothered them to this day so it is a good idea for you and I still have a lot of my pain even after being in therapy so I think I'll try a new therapist soon.

"I will learn from this, and I will share what I have learnt to others, for sure...its just so maddening. My family will never understand the pain cause they think "we just broke up"...my sisters still talk to her, they are friends....now she can get to me through them."

LOL, write to Oprah and Dr. Phil to do a show about this like I'm planning on doing. Oprah should really of had a show on this a long time ago as HPD and NPD have hurt so many women and men both sufferers and afflicted its scary.

"(close my eyes...breath in calmly)....im just glad I didnt marry her, or get her pregnant..."

Hehe, yep my friend Chris on here known as Chron said the same thing and its so very true.

"Thanks though for all the help, really...I feel relieved to know other people have gone through this...God bless you my friend"

Thanks and my offer to talk via AIM or MSN Messenger still applies if you have those.

Take care.