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Re: Had my first therapy session today!

Postby mistaben » Mon Dec 13, 2010 5:02 am

SansStars wrote:Why should I argue with the statement above, given that sociopath is exchanged for psychopath. It fits me. I do distrust humanity, emotionally disconnect, and feel unloved. I'm not going to lie in order to make myself appear better. I'm horribly paranoid and not sure I even know what love is. I feel what I consider love but we've proven more than once my maladaptive thinking and flawed reasoning. My husband loves me but according to my therapist, "it will never be enough because I'm expecting him to fill a parental role of love and that is more unconditional than any other. So, it will never be filled by one person."


hi sans,

I think your therapist is wrong. I think the strongest earthly relational bond your suppose to have is with your spouse. yes even stronger than the relationship you have with your kids. And, no, I don't expect everyone to agree.

just my 2 cents here.
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Re: Had my first therapy session today!

Postby mistaben » Mon Dec 13, 2010 5:19 am

Also,

I took the time to skim Wisdom's analysis of your conversation's with your therapist. I'm not so sure I agree with wisdom on many points he raised, maybe another therapist would be better for you. HOWEVER, I do think working with him a bit more might be helpful for you overall.

Does your therapist normally see HPD individuals? Is he personally familiar with the type of problems they have?

Best of luck to you.
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Re: Had my first therapy session today!

Postby mistaben » Mon Dec 13, 2010 5:33 am

SansStars wrote:My sexual desires, the real ones... not the sex with my husband desires.. are twisted (to me). Violence usually. Not rape because it is "delightfully ravished" but because it is degrading. It is devaluing. When my other guy tells me he wants to abuse me, it turns me on. When he asks me if I want him to grab me by the hair, throw me to the floor and fvck the sh!t out of me.. it turns me on. When he put his hands around my neck, I got wet. It's surprising to even me that it does this. But I suppose after thinking about it for a few weeks (because thats when he started really saying that to me) I've slowly figured out where it comes from. Maybe? After dating my then boyfriend (now husband) back when I was about 16, we broke up for a few weeks. I lashed back and dated a slue of men. I, literally, had dates every.single.night. and slept with a lot of them with mutual consent. Most of the men I met online. I have a boy hobby in my real life and so I hang out on those forums and being one of the only females, I get lots of attention. Well this one guy I met somewhere else (Honestly don't remember. it was 9 years ago). I lied to him and told him I was 19. He was in his late 20s. I went to his house with the intention of hanging out and maybe some kind of innocent fun. I don't remember the night. All I remember is telling him I was really only 16. Then I remember laying on his couch while he said the words, " like it my little 16 year old sl*t" and us having sex. Or rather, me laying there and him fvcking the shell that was me. Then I was driving home, crying. I don't remember because I'm sure I've repressed it. He didn't drug me or anything. But I changed after that. I was already predisposed to being broken (my words again) and I suppose that didn't help. What is it they say? The abused subconsciously seek to repeat their abuse? I don't know. :? :cry:


I'm sorry about what happened to you, that actually sounds like real rape to me. There is no love in real rape.

BUT, As far as your crazy devaluing sex preference goes - maybe you just like a good romp in the bedroom and the two events aren't really related? I know you might think they are, and that the event probably does mess with your life in many ways... think emotional deprevation/and devlaluation of your self-esteem. I don't think they are actually related. The kind of bedroom behavior your talking about is actually fairly common between trusting couples. Sometimes good sex is just fun, and this includes bedroom language and power play behaviors - but real devaluation is not fun nor is there love in it.

It sounds to me like from past history you clearly know the difference. My personal opinion: as long as it stays in the bedroom and it gets your rocks off... carry on.
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Re: Had my first therapy session today!

Postby SansStars » Mon Dec 13, 2010 6:22 am

Hey Mista :)

Thanks for your thoughts babe..

Mista wrote:I think your therapist is wrong. I think the strongest earthly relational bond your suppose to have is with your spouse. yes even stronger than the relationship you have with your kids. And, no, I don't expect everyone to agree.


I'm no psychologist but to ME, I see it this way. The love of a parent is the strongest love you can feel incoming towards yourself. It's what sets up the ability for you to love another in a similar way. But the love of a spouce is the strongest love you give from yourself outward. Without the first incoming love, it would be hard to give the outgoing love and we'd (those with daddy issues maybe not all HPDs) always be searching for the first so we can give the outward love. I want to love someone and feel loved, I just don't. Not the way I feel like I should.

Does your therapist normally see HPD individuals? Is he personally familiar with the type of problems they have?


I don't think so. I need to ask him, I suppose. But how do I go about asking that without him saying he thinks it's a PD? Like, "Hey buddy. I still think I have a PD. Do you? Do you have any experience with that? Maybe that's why you're missing it?" ;) Kidding on the last question.


I'm sorry about what happened to you, that actually sounds like real rape to me. There is no love in real rape.

BUT, As far as your crazy devaluing sex preference goes - maybe you just like a good romp in the bedroom and the two events aren't really related? I know you might think they are, and that the event probably does mess with your life in many ways... think emotional deprevation/and devlaluation of your self-esteem. I don't think they are actually related. The kind of bedroom behavior your talking about is actually fairly common between trusting couples. Sometimes good sex is just fun, and this includes bedroom language and power play behaviors - but real devaluation is not fun nor is there love in it.

It sounds to me like from past history you clearly know the difference. My personal opinion: as long as it stays in the bedroom and it gets your rocks off... carry on.


I agree there's no love in real rape. The guy was not someone I knew, just a back lash of my breakup with my boyfriend and a misplaced search for validation/something to do. I blocked so much out of it I don't even know if I said no to him. I remember nothing of how I got undressed or anything.

I've heard of other girls liking similar things (on a smaller scale) but I guess it's more how I preceive it that makes me think it's not the same. It's the actual violent act that gets me. The force. And I see how you mean between trusting couples, but I'm talking about it without my husband (the only person I would call trusting back to me).
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Re: Had my first therapy session today!

Postby mistaben » Mon Dec 13, 2010 7:07 am

SansStars wrote:I'm no psychologist but to ME, I see it this way. The love of a parent is the strongest love you can feel incoming towards yourself. It's what sets up the ability for you to love another in a similar way. But the love of a spouce is the strongest love you give from yourself outward. Without the first incoming love, it would be hard to give the outgoing love and we'd (those with daddy issues maybe not all HPDs) always be searching for the first so we can give the outward love. I want to love someone and feel loved, I just don't. Not the way I feel like I should.


I think the bible supports my view. :D

anyways... how do you even have children if your relationship with your spouse aint right? what happens if you lose one child? you can make more. litterally. if you have 10 and lose one, you can go on to have 4 more and have 13 kids in the end. if you lose a spouse you can't have anymore. this is important biologically because about 50% of children didn't even make it to 18 before the 1800's era (most of the evolution of man).

SansStars wrote:
Mistaben wrote:Does your therapist normally see HPD individuals? Is he personally familiar with the type of problems they have?


I don't think so. I need to ask him, I suppose. But how do I go about asking that without him saying he thinks it's a PD? Like, "Hey buddy. I still think I have a PD. Do you? Do you have any experience with that? Maybe that's why you're missing it?" ;) Kidding on the last question.


I don't think it is that big of a deal. It's just business. Your just checking his references. You wouldn't go to a surgeon who has never done an eye surgery before would you? you would find one who has lots of practice first. (or at least you should find an experienced one!)

The kind of bedroom behavior your talking about is actually fairly common between trusting couples. Sometimes good sex is just fun, and this includes bedroom language and power play behaviors - but real devaluation is not fun nor is there love in it.

It sounds to me like from past history you clearly know the difference. My personal opinion: as long as it stays in the bedroom and it gets your rocks off... carry on.


SansStars wrote:I agree there's no love in real rape. The guy was not someone I knew, just a back lash of my breakup with my boyfriend and a misplaced search for validation/something to do. I blocked so much out of it I don't even know if I said no to him. I remember nothing of how I got undressed or anything.

I've heard of other girls liking similar things (on a smaller scale) but I guess it's more how I preceive it that makes me think it's not the same. It's the actual violent act that gets me. The force. And I see how you mean between trusting couples, but I'm talking about it without my husband (the only person I would call trusting back to me).


:D :twisted: So, what your saying is... you like a man with authority, huh? How about I call you later and show you how a real man takes control. :twisted: :D

lol, my point being is you don't have to know someone "well" to trust that they don't actually think your litterally their "16 year old piece of property". a little bit of a ego/powertrip never hurt the bedroom play - just as long as when you get outside of the bedroom they don't "litterally" think that your a piece of property (it's like rough anal sex: it's just a whole different world of sex play :mrgreen:). anyways, it is called "adult play time" for a reason. :wink:

(I'm reading that you only play like this with people other then your husband) as a serious note, have you ever considered that maybe your husband is just boring? maybe you could get him to spice it up in the bedroom a bit? or maybe some rough play with you every now and then wouldn't hurt. it is pretty common, many girls are turned on by the devaluation/power factor in the bedroom.
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Re: Had my first therapy session today!

Postby SansStars » Mon Dec 13, 2010 7:29 am

Mista wrote:I think the bible supports my view.


I'm sorry, wha? The wha? I'm not familiar with that book thing there. Kidding. I know what it is and the basics of it, but I don't really read it, never have, don't know the details nor do I really follow much. Is there some section about this? I would have thought love for God would outrank all and make this point mute?

Mista wrote:anyways... how do you even have children if your relationship with your spouse aint right? what happens if you lose one child? you can make more. litterally. if you have 10 and lose one, you can go on to have 4 more and have 13 kids in the end. if you lose a spouse you can't have anymore. this is important biologically because about 50% of children didn't even make it to 18 before the 1800's era (most of the evolution of man).


Why the hell not? Lots of people have married more than once giving them more than one spouse in their life.. heck, sometimes it's at the same time. Those damn polygamists. But seriously.. You could literally have more than one spouse just as you could have more than one child. And how did we get to children? I was saying the incoming love from your own parent (LITERALLY the only think you can only have one of) is what helps pave the way for your later outgoing love. Your outgoing love would be responsible for both spouses and children equally.

Mista wrote: So, what your saying is... you like a man with authority, huh? How about I call you later and show you how a real man takes control.


You keep promising me this but have yet to put out.. ;)
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Re: Had my first therapy session today!

Postby mistaben » Mon Dec 13, 2010 7:46 am

SansStars wrote:I'm sorry, wha? The wha? I'm not familiar with that book thing there. Kidding. I know what it is and the basics of it, but I don't really read it, never have, don't know the details nor do I really follow much. Is there some section about this? I would have thought love for God would outrank all and make this point mute?


It does. Hence, I said strongest earthly relational bond.

Now, how do I role over from talking about the bible and god to trying to score your phone number online and sleep with you all in one funny sentence? oof, internal cognitive dissonance.
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Re: Had my first therapy session today!

Postby SansStars » Mon Dec 13, 2010 8:11 am

Mista wrote:Now, how do I role over from talking about the bible and god to trying to score your phone number online and sleep with you all in one funny sentence? oof, internal cognitive dissonance.


Cognitive dissonance? Psh! Suppress that sh!t and just ask for my number baby ;) :twisted:
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Re: Had my first therapy session today!

Postby Musician924 » Mon Dec 13, 2010 12:45 pm

This forum is getting naughty these days....whatever floats yer boat ... :lol: !
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Re: Had my first therapy session today!

Postby realitycheque » Mon Dec 13, 2010 1:24 pm

Musician924 wrote:This forum is getting naughty these days
So let's get things back on track.

mistaben wrote:I think the bible supports my view.
Most everyone does, even if viewpoints are polar opposites. It's so open to (mis)interpretation.

mistaben wrote:I think your therapist is wrong. I think the strongest earthly relational bond your suppose to have is with your spouse. yes even stronger than the relationship you have with your kids. And, no, I don't expect everyone to agree.
Until you has children of your own, it's difficult to conceptualize. It's too abstract unless you actually experience it. And (of course) brain biochemicals play a role in this process. Keep in mind that your opinions, and expectations, may be based on distorted thinking and an unhealthy emotional reference based on your personal background. I don't know your history, but this is common with PDers.

The therapist is correct; if you're placing too high an expectations on an SO relationship, you'll consequently be setting yourself up for disappointment. And the cycle will be perpetuated. It would be wise to explore your underlying beliefs with a therapist.
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