Any relation to Sun signs

asphyx wrote:All women function via emotion. Men function via logic. This is a fact, look it up on google if you must.

...i have this weird emotional intuition that, if you are looking for facts, google is not the place... just a feeling, you know... i guess it's that "not scientifically credible source of information"-hormone going wild again...

Not that I'm biting on it being anything credible but she's a Leo alright. WEIRD!!

Then again, I'm a Gemini!

"Zodiac signs are absolute nonsense that only women believe in because they lack logic and love to believe in fantasy bs. Zodiac signs have absolutely no relation to HPD. That guy who you were talking to seems to be delusional."

Fully agreed. HPD is a complex psychological disorder. It has nothing to do with what month of the year you were born in.

sofrance1 wrote:HPD is a complex psychological disorder. It has nothing to do with what month of the year you were born in.

I'd agree with this - but is it possible that a PD individual has personality traits that predispose them to their responses to childhood experiences or trauma (I'm not suggesting these traits are dictated by our astrological signs)? It must be mustn't it - as not all children respond in the same way to the same circumstances.

I ask because I'm reading a lot about Co-Dependency at the moment and I'm struck by the simliarities between the biographies of those who become CD and those who develop a PD. It's almost as if they are two sides of the same coin. In the former individuals look outwards, to others to solve their issues whilst the former are turned inwards maybe?

I've been thinking that maybe the reason some of us are attracted to the PD individual is not because we are different - but because we are the same (albeit to different degrees). Our childhood experiences have made us seek out particular things - both of us. We just go about it in different ways.

The recognition or understanding we feel towards our partners may be a response to a pain or a defence that we understand all too well. We've just developed a different set of coping mechanisms - that's all.

Aries for me.

Astrology is fun to think about but I've never really taken it seriously.

Mine was a Cancer, which I feel holds irony in it's name alone! Sorry, sometimes I think if I can't at least laugh at it sometimes I won't keep moving forward in the healing process.

sofrance1 wrote:Fully agreed. HPD is a complex psychological disorder. It has nothing to do with what month of the year you were born in.

Of course it has nothing to do with it. Astrology is just a bunch of superstition. So why is Leo coming up so frequently?
Cancer: 1
Aries: 1
Taurus: 1
Leo: 5

Of course it's too small a sample size to be statistically significant, and a thread like this suffers substantial selection bias, but... nearly TWICE as many Leos as all the rest put together?

While my original intention was curiosity and though I am myself skeptical, I do believe that there might a completely different way of looking at this :

If you for a moment, ignore the connections to celestial bodies, you will notice that all the main astrological traditions (Western, Vedic and Chinese) have mapped personality types of people. So, you can think of this as classification of personality types (NOT personality disorders). It is therefore not surprising that some of the personality types based on astrology, when stereotyped in the "extreme", seem to overlap with personality disorders. After all, the DSM criteria is also a classification of extreme personality types.

One can question the attribution of personality to the characteristics and movements of celestial bodies in astrology, but that is perhaps because during the earlier times, it was probably difficult to lay the responsibility of personality on family and human surroundings and possibly much easier to lay the responsibility on something heavenly, celestial and super-human.

I have been thinking about the "matching" of personalities for the purpose of pairing, especially in the Vedic tradition. It is possible that such matching might be able to provide partner personality types for certain extreme personality types, such that the "triggers" that activate their destructive behavior is inherently absent or the cognition of destructive behavior inherently "ignored". It may not be the best possible pairing, given the extremeness of a certain personality type, but it could be a comparatively peaceful match.

For example - It is well known that the best compatibility for a Leo personality type woman would be a similar "fire" personality type. This may work for the more moderated and balanced Leo personality. However, it might be difficult for a self-centered, impulsive Leo to sustain with another fiery and dominating personality. In such a case, an "air" personality like Gemini might be better suited since this personality would keep the fire alive while not being as dominating. Infact an airy Gemini "twin-personality" and his indecisive and flirtatious nature might provide the fiery Leo personality just the challenge it needs to sustain the interest in trying to tame and dominate this man. It will remain a superficial relationship, but might sustain longer.

Now, that a particular time or place of birth or relation to a celestial body or a year of birth has any relation to a personality might be a "theory" proposed by these ancient traditions and we may choose to ignore it since we find no validity. However, what we may want to keep are the descriptions and classifications of personality types, since its possible that such classification had been done by observing actual people and therefore might be relevant.

If you are willing to look at ancient traditions without bias and understand that all forms of academic endeavors, either ancient or present, have been about understanding human nature and its relations with Nature, you might find that there is something to gain from these ancient traditions, however defunct, illogical and incomplete they might seem today.

Just my two cents.

TatteredKnight wrote:

sofrance1 wrote:Fully agreed. HPD is a complex psychological disorder. It has nothing to do with what month of the year you were born in.

Of course it has nothing to do with it. Astrology is just a bunch of superstition. So why is Leo coming up so frequently?
Cancer: 1
Aries: 1
Taurus: 1
Leo: 5

Of course it's too small a sample size to be statistically significant, and a thread like this suffers substantial selection bias, but... nearly TWICE as many Leos as all the rest put together?

Come on dude, HPD is a psychological disorder that cannot be explained by astrology bs.The closest explanation of HPD is that it is caused by early parental abandonment and/or lack of nurturing and love from the female parent when the child is around 2 years of age.

Dates and zodiac signs are just a time measuring system made by humans and have zero relation to the psychological makeup of a person.

LOL mine is a Leo as well... but am I stupid enough to believe that that isn't just chance? Get a bigger group of HPDs and see when their birth dates are. I seem to have missed the part on the HPD diagnosis where it says "Generally born between 22 July – 23 August".

asphyx wrote:Come on dude, HPD is a psychological disorder that cannot be explained by astrology bs.The closest explanation of HPD is that it is caused by early parental abandonment and/or lack of nurturing and love from the female parent when the child is around 2 years of age.

I totally agree...

LOL mine is a Leo as well...

...so why are we now at 6 Leos vs 3 other signs?

but am I stupid enough to believe that that isn't just chance? Get a bigger group of HPDs and see when their birth dates are. I seem to have missed the part on the HPD diagnosis where it says "Generally born between 22 July – 23 August".

I never said "being Leo makes you HPD". I just said "that's funny... there seem to be a lot of Leo HPDs here." I'd be interested in that survey of HPD birth dates you mentioned, if it exists. If there IS a statistically significant bias here, it's possible there's some other common factor here. The only thing I can think of is that (don't laugh!) Leo birthdays are roughly equidistant between Easter and Christmas, and are about as far away from a major general holiday as you can get, so there's probably more fuss made over their birthdays than someone who was born near Christmas or Easter. Doesn't seem like a big enough difference to cause a serious emotional disorder, though.

I wonder if this high frequency is cultural, for whatever reason? Or if, say, ethnic Chinese HPDs, or Jewish HPDs, tend to have a different star sign?