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Hysterical?

Postby inspiredby » Sat May 06, 2017 7:05 pm

Hi all :D

Anyone have any information about the so-called Hysterical Personality Disorder? I have features of it, or so I've been told, but can't really find much information about it on the internet. It seems to be a milder version of HPD.

Thanks. :oops:
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Re: Hysterical?

Postby mark1958 » Sun May 07, 2017 3:12 pm

Hi inspiredby,

There are some deep texts out there regarding the concept of Hysteria/hysterics.

Christopher Bollas, a psychoanalyst, wrote the book "hysteria" which describes what you are looking for in very deep detail. It is not an easy read.

The primary thinking on this matter, from my understanding, is that Hysteria differs from Histrionic Personality Disorder, in that the main issue is conversion symptoms resulting from suppressed Psychological stress. A person who struggles with Hysteria/Hysteric has physical issues resulting from the disorder. And this can manifest itself in various ways.

And you are correct, it has been described as a lighter version of HPD. In fact, there have been some practitioners who feel it is still very relevant and should still be valid in clinical thinking and remain separate from HPD. The concept of hysteric has been combined into HPD in various ways.
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Re: Hysterical?

Postby ElephantEyes » Fri Sep 01, 2017 5:28 pm

I am diagnosed with GAD and panic disorder but back when Hysteria was a diagnosis I think I would have that. I get psychosomatic physical symptoms like being out of breath, hot flash, head spinning. Ive gone to the hospital thinking I was about to die because it felt so real and frightening. But no, all in my head. I think its genetic because a relative was diagnosed with Hysteria.

I think that is what Hysterical PD might be?
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Re: Hysterical?

Postby TheCastleOf » Fri Sep 01, 2017 8:57 pm

Hysteria is not a valid diagnosis nowadays, admittedly for good reasons including but not only the non-specificity and innate sexism of its early definition. I would elaborate here, but plan to do it soon in another section of the forum, and don't want to repeat myself.

Apparently both somatization and conversion disorder replaced and circumscribe better the corresponding symptoms.
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Re: Hysterical?

Postby ElephantEyes » Fri Sep 01, 2017 9:04 pm

Is there overlap or comorbidity between conversion disorder and HPD?
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Re: Hysterical?

Postby TheCastleOf » Sun Sep 03, 2017 7:17 am

I don't think I have an answer to your question, dear

From the top of my head though, HPD has been removed from the DSM V, but somatization wasn't listed as HPD criterion in the DSM IV, so overlap is unlikely.

Comorbidity maybe but why with HPD more than with other PDs ? Exaggeration of symptoms isn't the same as somatization I take it, although both could coexist.
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Re: Hysterical?

Postby ElephantEyes » Sun Sep 03, 2017 7:29 am

TheCastleOf wrote:I don't think I have an answer to your question, dear

From the top of my head though, HPD has been removed from the DSM V, but somatization wasn't listed as HPD criterion in the DSM IV, so overlap is unlikely.

Comorbidity maybe but why with HPD more than with other PDs ? Exaggeration of symptoms isn't the same as somatization I take it, although both could coexist.


All I can think of is some underlying personality pathology linking the two things. I have done some searches in this forum and found a link. I think it could be a revelation. Rather than seeing histrionics as actors and attention-seekers, its more likely they are having uncontrollable reactions.

In my experience, the sensation of impending death is undeniable, and creates dramatic reaction. In the end it may turn out its was psychosomatic, but it wasn't a "theatrical act." It was an uncontrollable response to the sense of impending death. See where I'm going with this?
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Re: Hysterical?

Postby mark1958 » Sun Sep 03, 2017 1:59 pm

Some reading for you EE

Modern psychodynamic theorists have sought to distinguish between the hysterical
character and the histrionic personality as presented in various editions of the DSM.
Most analysts see the two as existing on a spectrum of severity. Kernberg (1992), for example,
places the hysterical personality at a higher level of functioning and the histrionic
personality at a lower, infantile level of functioning. The higher level hysteric, Kernberg
states, is more socially adaptive, with more genuine, authentic, and predictable emotions.
Affective control, he elaborates, is lost only in connection to others with whom
there exist intense sexual or competitive conflicts. Gabbard (1994, pp. 559–560) paints a
similar picture: Histrionics are more florid, more labile, more impulsive, and more sexualized
and seductive; hysterical personalities, in contrast, are more subtle in their exhibitionism
and express sexuality in a more coy or engaging manner. Whereas hysterical
personalities can be successful, even ambitious, at work, Gabbard states, histrionics fail
due to aimlessness, helplessness, and dependence. Finally, hysterical personalities tolerate
separation from love objects, but histrionic patients are overcome with separation
anxiety.


Somatoform Disorders
Historically, the psychodynamic perspective has always considered illness-related
symptoms, especially conversion symptoms, to be part of the hysterical personality.
Today, such symptoms have been separated from their associated personality traits and
classified as part of the Axis I disorders, irrespective of their association to the hysterical
personality.
Therefore, we see many other personalities exhibit somatic symptoms,
notably, the dependent personality. Hueston, Mainous, and Schilling (1996) found that
medical care use was highest for subjects at risk for histrionic and dependent personality
disorders as opposed to all other personality disorders, a finding in keeping with our
dancer, Yvonne, who suffered from pain for months with no apparent cause.
For histrionics, hypochondriacal concerns—the fear that you have some serious disease—
and somatization disorder—physical complaints lacking a substantial basis—are used instrumentally to draw attention, comfort, and nurturance from others. Whenever
the histrionic feels empty, isolated, or bored, the secondary gains become more tempting,
so the disorder seems to be exacerbated. Finally, as noted by Benjamin (1996), frequent
complaints of illness have often been associated with the female gender role, as it was
with the patients Freud studied in his seminal investigations. For Benjamin, these somatic
aspects are considered so important that they form a distinct subtype of the histrionic
personality.
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Re: Hysterical?

Postby mark1958 » Sun Sep 03, 2017 2:14 pm

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Re: Hysterical?

Postby ElephantEyes » Sun Sep 03, 2017 4:40 pm

mark1958 wrote:Some reading for you EE

Modern psychodynamic theorists have sought to distinguish between the hysterical
character and the histrionic personality as presented in various editions of the DSM.
Most analysts see the two as existing on a spectrum of severity. Kernberg (1992), for example,
places the hysterical personality at a higher level of functioning and the histrionic
personality at a lower, infantile level of functioning. The higher level hysteric, Kernberg
states, is more socially adaptive, with more genuine, authentic, and predictable emotions.
Affective control, he elaborates, is lost only in connection to others with whom
there exist intense sexual or competitive conflicts. Gabbard (1994, pp. 559–560) paints a
similar picture: Histrionics are more florid, more labile, more impulsive, and more sexualized
and seductive; hysterical personalities, in contrast, are more subtle in their exhibitionism
and express sexuality in a more coy or engaging manner. Whereas hysterical
personalities can be successful, even ambitious, at work, Gabbard states, histrionics fail
due to aimlessness, helplessness, and dependence. Finally, hysterical personalities tolerate
separation from love objects, but histrionic patients are overcome with separation
anxiety.


Somatoform Disorders
Historically, the psychodynamic perspective has always considered illness-related
symptoms, especially conversion symptoms, to be part of the hysterical personality.
Today, such symptoms have been separated from their associated personality traits and
classified as part of the Axis I disorders, irrespective of their association to the hysterical
personality.
Therefore, we see many other personalities exhibit somatic symptoms,
notably, the dependent personality. Hueston, Mainous, and Schilling (1996) found that
medical care use was highest for subjects at risk for histrionic and dependent personality
disorders as opposed to all other personality disorders, a finding in keeping with our
dancer, Yvonne, who suffered from pain for months with no apparent cause.
For histrionics, hypochondriacal concerns—the fear that you have some serious disease—
and somatization disorder—physical complaints lacking a substantial basis—are used instrumentally to draw attention, comfort, and nurturance from others. Whenever
the histrionic feels empty, isolated, or bored, the secondary gains become more tempting,
so the disorder seems to be exacerbated. Finally, as noted by Benjamin (1996), frequent
complaints of illness have often been associated with the female gender role, as it was
with the patients Freud studied in his seminal investigations. For Benjamin, these somatic
aspects are considered so important that they form a distinct subtype of the histrionic
personality.


Thank you for that mark. I had been unable to find any information on it but this spells out the difference very clearly.

Makes a lot of sense. Something I like to find out about as I think somatic complaints and a bit of hypochondriosis has definitely been a major problem for me. It can be very frustrating to have debilitating physical symptoms and the doctors cant do anything about it. No treatment for something that makes one feel they are dying. It has impacted my life in a major way.

I havent had a look at the other link yet.

Thank you again!
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