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Priorities

Postby goldendragon » Sat Oct 28, 2006 3:16 pm

Keeping those people out of my life has helped immensely. I strongly suggest you do the same as no amount of money is worth your sanity. You don't even have to rage at her... just tell her that she is mentally unstable and aging poorly... being calm and aloof when you insult someone seems to drive the knife in deeper. If she insults you back, just nonchalantly blame her for whatever flaw she accuses you of having.

Run, take up kickboxing, or do yoga.. you're right that this anger is hurting you (both physically and emotionally). You can sort through it in time, but in the meantime take care of yourself otherwise. The exertion will increase endorphin production and other "happy" chemicals that will counter the anger to a degree, so that's another benefit.

If you are religious, pray for them. I know it sounds ridiculous, but when I was the most angry and in pain, praying that they would never hurt someone like they'd hurt me or praying that God would hold a mirror to their face helped me some. It is partly a "letting go" of the control over the situation (and of course any control over someone else's actions is simply an illusion). Letting go and "giving it to God" made me feel a little lighter.

Definitely consider therapy. You suffered abuse as a child, and you need the tools that a good professional can give you. The anger is just a way of cauterizing the wound that she continues to pick at. Don't be afraid to tell those to whom SHE reaches out to get at you that she was abusive... those are strong words, but they apply in your case. Tell everyone that she was a "Mommy Dearest" (see the film if you haven't) and that on the outside she wore a mask to hide the horror she visited upon her children.


Good- solid advice- I agree. I dont believe that you need to join your mother in perpetuating your suffering. Forgive her and avoid her. It is just not worth carrying around the pain of hate and wanting revenge. I am not sure that visualising harming the other person helps long term. It can help momentarily. As for revenge, even if you actually took revenge, believe me- it is not going to give you happiness or closure. Nothing works like forgiveness. I am not saying you need to forget and be good to her etc- stop making it a cycle by returning in the same coin. You deserve better. Forgive and purge the poison in your system. Avoid and avoid getting more poison in your system. Remember- you cant control the other person- only your reaction to them can be controlled.

What is it about the money ? Are you sure that the money is going to be worth all the continued suffering that you undergo ? Cant you do without it ? Treating people good when you love them is one thing- but accepting abuse for the sake of money is akin to slavery. Do you really need the money that much ?

Talk to people, on this forum and elsewhere, try to understand as much as you can - what happened and why it happened. You have already brought up your own children well. It is time you got help and got out of the toxic relationship. Bask in giving and receiving love from people in your family who are normal.
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Postby mousey » Sat Oct 28, 2006 3:28 pm

chickadee wrote:mousey, I went through a period of rage with someone from my childhood as well. I don't think he hurt me as badly as your mother did you and your brother, and thankfully he isn't part of my life. I also have an ex who did me very, very wrong :evil: and I struggled with that as well. Remember that anger is a secondary emotion. We are only angry because of another emotion (fear, hurt, confusion, helplessness, etc.). You have to dig down and find that feeling that is resulting in anger and deal with it in order to conquer your fury. Anger protects you from the depth of those wounds, but you must tend to them in order to let the anger go.

In the meantime... I have a very vivid imagination, so I often envisioned bludgeoning or killing my ex (a rocket launcher into his chest, cutting off his private parts with a dirty blade, a machete splitting his skull, punching him repeatedly, etc.). Visualization helps. :D

Keeping those people out of my life has helped immensely. I strongly suggest you do the same as no amount of money is worth your sanity. You don't even have to rage at her... just tell her that she is mentally unstable and aging poorly... being calm and aloof when you insult someone seems to drive the knife in deeper. If she insults you back, just nonchalantly blame her for whatever flaw she accuses you of having.

Run, take up kickboxing, or do yoga.. you're right that this anger is hurting you (both physically and emotionally). You can sort through it in time, but in the meantime take care of yourself otherwise. The exertion will increase endorphin production and other "happy" chemicals that will counter the anger to a degree, so that's another benefit.

If you are religious, pray for them. I know it sounds ridiculous, but when I was the most angry and in pain, praying that they would never hurt someone like they'd hurt me or praying that God would hold a mirror to their face helped me some. It is partly a "letting go" of the control over the situation (and of course any control over someone else's actions is simply an illusion). Letting go and "giving it to God" made me feel a little lighter.

Definitely consider therapy. You suffered abuse as a child, and you need the tools that a good professional can give you. The anger is just a way of cauterizing the wound that she continues to pick at. Don't be afraid to tell those to whom SHE reaches out to get at you that she was abusive... those are strong words, but they apply in your case. Tell everyone that she was a "Mommy Dearest" (see the film if you haven't) and that on the outside she wore a mask to hide the horror she visited upon her children.

And finally... truly realizing--knowing deep inside myself--that living through these toxic people makes me strong is where I ended up. And shedding the shackles and chains they put on me, I am only heading toward a better place within myself. One cell in my body is brighter and better than the sum of their parts. That is true of you as well... in time I hope it will be enough to rise above her abuse.


Chickadee, my period of rage has lasted about 45 yrs now. I've been in and out of therapy since I was a teen. I am going to a psychiatrist in Dec to get myself evaluated and hopefully on the right meds. It's just in the last few weeks that I realized what was up with "Mommy dearest" I knew she was always "nuts" by taking a personality test from my counselor actually put a name on what that woman is.
I came out of that home an emotional blank. I feel no hurt, only a rage toward her. How dare this overbearing mess of a human have children to torture. Believe it or not she had over 5 miscarriages before she adopted my poor bro and then had me. Um, to me that was a message that she wasn't suppose to have kids. I myself had histrionic tendencies for many yrs after I escaped her home. It took many yrs of work to become a blank canvas to reinvent myself by observing how "normal" people behaved.
I have told an aunt that she cut off what she did to me and knowing that woman's behaviour, I know she believes me. Unlike my bro I told her to go ###$ herself many, many times starting when I was about 13. Just doing that saved a little of my sanity. My poor bro, trying to be the "good boy" ended up with a stutter and a habit of biting his lips until they would bleed. That would send "Nut job" into a bigger rage as it must have reflected on her wonderful nurturing skills >snort<
Victims of histrionic behaviour are real damaged goods. I feel like a 11 yr old pretending (and poorly) trying to function in an adult world.
Ah, this is so therapeutic and I really need to rant to people that understand right now
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Re: Priorities

Postby mousey » Sat Oct 28, 2006 3:41 pm

Good- solid advice- I agree. I dont believe that you need to join your mother in perpetuating your suffering. Forgive her and avoid her. It is just not worth carrying around the pain of hate and wanting revenge. I am not sure that visualising harming the other person helps long term. It can help momentarily. As for revenge, even if you actually took revenge, believe me- it is not going to give you happiness or closure. Nothing works like forgiveness. I am not saying you need to forget and be good to her etc- stop making it a cycle by returning in the same coin. You deserve better. Forgive and purge the poison in your system. Avoid and avoid getting more poison in your system. Remember- you cant control the other person- only your reaction to them can be controlled.

What is it about the money ? Are you sure that the money is going to be worth all the continued suffering that you undergo ? Cant you do without it ? Treating people good when you love them is one thing- but accepting abuse for the sake of money is akin to slavery. Do you really need the money that much ?

Talk to people, on this forum and elsewhere, try to understand as much as you can - what happened and why it happened. You have already brought up your own children well. It is time you got help and got out of the toxic relationship. Bask in giving and receiving love from people in your family who are normal.[/quote]

I just cannot forgive her right now. I want her to understand what she did to me. Of course I realize that is impossible as she has always been the victim and never the one that perpetuated the evil. Like I said before I feel like a child trying to deal with this. You are right about the money..the kid in me feels I deserve it but it would mean keeping up some kind of relationship that I don't want. I have tried over the yrs to end all contact with her but she is like one of those things that crawls out from under a rock, bites you on the legs and slithers back till the next time. Honestly, I feel weird to say this, kind of ashamed, but I'm still afraid of her wrath. I cannot verbally spar with her as she always wins leaving me thinking about what I should have said or how I should have handled her at that time.
Coming here and dumping seems to be the best way for me to deal with his right now.
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Confessing survival of HPD in childhood?

Postby orson » Fri Nov 03, 2006 6:51 am

I don't know what to say, except that I'm with mousey.

My mother is HDP/NDP - and had the key, unacknowledged role in my father's death by suicide (with a knife), in his mid 50s. A very pre-mature death of the hardest working man I've ever known.

I survived treatment for BPD/panic disorder in my early 20s, and then PTSD in my late 30s to 40s. I did a lot of "killing my mother" in phantasy during this later period. (Age of original trauma? 18-24 months. Since no one's alive that recalls my agonies, it's only guesswork.)

Now I'm left with enough health issues, mostly revolving around endocrine disorders and brain dysfunction, I don't know if survival was worth it. Or rather, I mean, would my life have been better and happier today without all the many years of psychotherapy? - to have remained a twisted inner soul? I honestly don't know.

What I do know is that I have a choice today I didn't have before in my romantic life - non-HDP females? or work with an HDP on becoming more and mourn my past again along with promoting her own journey of self-discovery.

It is 'heavy' because, just as Doc Brown suspects, there is something wrong with gravitational forces. And that's why I'm here.
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