Impressionistic thought-speech / Suggestibility

I wanted to know more about these two criteria.

I know that impressionistic means overly global and lacking in details. But what does it relate to? Does it mean that people with HPD have strong opinions, but cannot back them up with reasons or details? Or does it mean that when they relate their experiences (e.g. holidays, jobs, courses) they just give an overall impression and don't fill out any of the details?

Also, in relation to suggestibility... does it mean that their moral, political or any other beliefs can be easily changed by another person? will they do so only to gain attention?

I was wondering if there's a way of determining whether a person suspected of being HPD is suggestible? could you for example try and hold a debate with them on, say, the death penalty or abortion, first ask their opinion, then present your opinion and see if they're swayed by it?

"I know that impressionistic means overly global and lacking in details. But what does it relate to? Does it mean that people with HPD have strong opinions, but cannot back them up with reasons or details? Or does it mean that when they relate their experiences (e.g. holidays, jobs, courses) they just give an overall impression and don't fill out any of the details?"

It means they try to impress people on a grand scale and will do just about anything to accomplish that.

Yes they will lie to accomplish that by pretending to enjoy what you say you enjoy and they will even do mild research on what you love to help aid in their soulmate con.

So to impress ie make an impression on you. You might say I like so and so movie and the HPD will respond dramatically with "You too?! Oh my GOD I LOVE THAT MOVIE!!" and she is so dramatic and seemingly interested in you its infectious and makes you feel really special and possibly even loved by this great bubbly happy girl.

Not the case though.

You just ran into a sociopath unfortunately not the love of your life.

"Also, in relation to suggestibility... does it mean that their moral, political or any other beliefs can be easily changed by another person? will they do so only to gain attention?"

If they determine the person is important and worth their time ie potential lover because of status or that person's personality playing well to their pathology they can be influenced to say they believe what that person believes in order to con that person.

Really HPD's don't care about much of anything outside of relationship addiction, drugs and alcohol and other distractions so what is it to them to wear a mask of interest if it will help them acquire a particular target?

"I was wondering if there's a way of determining whether a person suspected of being HPD is suggestible? could you for example try and hold a debate with them on, say, the death penalty or abortion, first ask their opinion, then present your opinion and see if they're swayed by it?"

Yes.

If you do that something like this will probably be your result response...

"Oh wow I never thought of it like that before. You are so smart. Tell me more" *interestedly looks at you*

LOL, they are so sick man its still unbelievable for me to believe people like this exist.

This suggestibility is another reason most of them should really submit themselves for treatment in addition to helping them stop hurting people and themselves it would stop them from being used by sexual predators who know how to manipulate these girls.

^ it must very interesting to know how these sexual predator males manage to manipulate these HPD girls.

the more i get to know about the disease, the more i seem to know how to deal with them. one can already enumerate certain cardinal principles:

- do not show any love, tenderness or affection or any positive emotion
- do not show any anger, annoyance or any other negative emotion
- act with them in a cold, stone-faced, unemotional way. assume you are a robot dealing with another robot.
- shatter their egos. poke fun at them. rub salt into their wounds.
- don't give them any attention. if they're in a group of people, give all your attention to the others.
- DO NOT under ANY CIRCUMSTANCES, EMAIL them or PHONE them. You are signing your own DEATH WARRANT.

I have received the following response from Al Bernstein about what "impressionistic speech / thought" means in relation to HPD:

"Vague, Imprecise, short on details and long on emotional reaction. They don't tell you what happened so much as how they feel about what happened. E.g. The meeting was THE WORST experience of my life! They were just totally hostile! etc."

KontrollerX wrote: I couldn't get my HPD to tell me why she liked me and I wanted to know. She claimed she didn't know why she just did and I threw out some vague reasons why she probably did and she remembered them and told those to me later in a big entertaining way along with saying it was because I was so amazing etc.

This is what is meant by having an "impressionistic style of speech": strong on emotion / dramatics, but very low on details/reasons/specifics.
They seem to think in images, impressions. They can't seem to break them down, analyse them.

in my search for info, I'm reading old threads, and this one caught my eye.

I must say, it didn't hit me til now ... my friend whom I suspect is HPD, actually changed her political affiliation over the course of a month!!

I'd forgotten all about this. Back in August or so, she vehimately explained how Obama is the "ant-Christ" and was going to "ruin the world" , etc. Basically, she quoted that crazy email that was going around.

I laughed my head off at her, and explained how that is not really possible, and told her my reasons for respecting Mr Obama.

Next thing ya know, she's ALL ABOUT OBAMA! Yelling at people if they don't agree with her; staying up all nite to watch the election, and sending out emails to our entire neighborhood, thanking us for making the "right choice"!

OMG. Too funny, that I'd forgotten all about that til reading this.

In counciling my HPD is constantly being told by the therapist to explain something in more detail and normally the answer comes back "I don't know, its hard to explain" This is in relations to how she feels about something I have or had not done.

HPDs often speak more of emotions "She's mean" "Oh my God that was so cool." Rarely can the recite facts or reasons. I love politcs and my HPD hates it because Politics is all about motivations and the "why" someone would do something. This is something I don't think most HPDs are good at.

How the HPD answers the 5 questions of Journalism.

Who= They always know who's who.
What=This is amost always a concept light on details.
Where=This is often a detail that is left out of their impression as it is factual
When=Again facts are vague with HPD's. "It was around noonish." Instead of "at about 12:30."
Why=They can rarely tell you why they or anyone else does anything.

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In my opinion suggestibility is related to a lack of resistance, to a lack of firmness when they should think something through. I had a light bulb situation: A person had rescheduled some event and suggested to us to attend the moved event anyways. I knew that it would collide with some other repeating event SHE usuallyy attended. So I was hesitant and said: Hm, well, I don't know, there is this other thing. (To her) What do you think?... No reaction at all, literally nothing. I asked her: Ok, let's do that, right?! And that was that. If you sense that the other person is not checking her own interests and when you are not a sociopath it's kinda shocking. It's a bit like directing a little child to come to the dinner table or something. I think in situations the need for attachment overrules everything. I think that should be regarded as suggestibility.

When HPD first begins to develop in childhood it seems like the thought models and arguments are based on emotions, with less emphasis on rationality, logic, and critical thinking, which requires attention to details. All this maybe just because they kids. So they largely project their own emotions and receive the emotions of others.

For one thing, because emotions are fleeting by nature they aren't easy to describe and articulate. (and so poetry and other forms of art seems like a good therapy for HPD's)

Also, much of what an HPD person thinks about themselves and others is fantasy (one symptom: "thinks relationships are more important than they are"), and any detailed descriptions would remind them that they are living in a fantasy world. So detailed thought is chronically repressed.

But, after the years of frustration, failed relationships, the necessity of adapting to the adult world (and maybe worse things, like assault and other forms of abuse) HPD's can develop rationality and logic via 'the school of hard knocks.' This can be extreme, and coldly applied in a sociopathic way (an adaptation and/or defense mechanism...hence the so-called "Disingenuous Histrionic").

The most important energy among us is love.

Interesting theory: - thought & emotion separate cause they're not developing alongside each other ?

-- Thu Jul 28, 2011 11:52 pm --

but then again, rethinking that, the person i know who most closely fits HPD (to anyone who knows me reading this, no not either of the people you think i might be thinking of") i don't really see that going on. - not to say it isn't possible, just that i don't think its really the case with all pwHPD.