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Postby brittani » Sat Jul 21, 2007 2:05 pm

I hope this doesn't come off the wrong way to anyone, as I don't want to diminish anyone's feelings.

I just finished reading an article in Newsweek discussing transgender. It made me a little upset, because it seems to me that we're placing the "problem" or "issue" on the person who doesn't "fit in" instead of changing our societal expectations to be more open and accepting.

What exactly is the problem with a male who likes pink? There are no "off limits" colors for women. What is the problem with men who wish to wear looser (or tighter) clothing that more closely resembles what women wear? Men have been wearing skirts in Scotland for quite a long time without threat to their masculinity. Two hundred years ago, "feminine" hairstyles were the norm for men. When my son puts on my daughter's tank top to pretend like he is wearing a girl's bathing suit, should that make me think he needs a sex change? Nobody has issues with my daughter when she wears his overalls.

I hope to raise children who are happy in the wonderful bodies they have. Those bodies can run, jump, and play. As they grow, those bodies will engage in sports and dancing and other wonderful activities. What if one of my children feels that they would be more comfortable with black skin than white? Should they have a skin graft to change it?

Let's face it, if any of us spend much time thinking about it, our male/female parts can be a bit annoying. Women's breasts bounce when they run. That is annoying. Sometimes (especially when camping), it would be nice to pee standing up. But that's not the set I got. I imagine that men might sometimes envy a woman's nice soft tush--it pads us when we sit. And let's face it--women are just cuter than men. Who wouldn't envy that? We're all different. We can spend our lives mourning that we don't look like Cameron Diaz or Brad Pitt, or we can accept and love the amazing skins we're in.

I'm very interested in responses to this post from people who are actually struggling with these issues.
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Postby Apache » Sat Jul 21, 2007 3:38 pm

This is GID, Which has nothing to do with cross dressing or envy of the opposite sex. The focal factor is being born the "wrong" exterior sex then of what you are, IE; Being a women in a male body. This has led to male individuals as young as 12 attempting to remove their penis. Health professionals call it a mental disorder. But to quote a transgender "isnt it funny how surgery can cure a mental disorder".

I agree that society need's to become less ignorant and more tolerant. TG isnt a fetish, they are not the people you see at gay pride parades as women impersonators....thats transvestitism. They are indeed real women, or men. Just in the wrong bodies.

"What exactly is the problem with a male who likes pink? There are no "off limits" colors for women. What is the problem with men who wish to wear looser (or tighter) clothing that more closely resembles what women wear? Men have been wearing skirts in Scotland for quite a long time without threat to their masculinity. Two hundred years ago, "feminine" hairstyles were the norm for men. When my son puts on my daughter's tank top to pretend like he is wearing a girl's bathing suit, should that make me think he needs a sex change? Nobody has issues with my daughter when she wears his overalls."

I'm not sure i exactly get your point. I get that alot of men arent comfterble enough with their sexuality to say wear pink, or kiss another male a hello on the cheek or something else. That is a western mentality. Our society view's is as abnormal. And agree people should lighten up. But TG is something different from that. The male who like's pink, if he is a tg then She's actully a pre-op tg women....with a penis. And surgery would be her idea.

Let's face it, if any of us spend much time thinking about it, our male/female parts can be a bit annoying. Women's breasts bounce when they run. That is annoying. Sometimes (especially when camping), it would be nice to pee standing up. But that's not the set I got. I imagine that men might sometimes envy a woman's nice soft tush--it pads us when we sit. And let's face it--women are just cuter than men. Who wouldn't envy that? We're all different. We can spend our lives mourning that we don't look like Cameron Diaz or Brad Pitt, or we can accept and love the amazing skins we're in.

This is ignorant. But your overal point is a good one in that it's true and should be reinforced in youth. Yet it's intierly unrelated to Transgenderism.
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Postby puma » Sat Jul 21, 2007 10:24 pm

Hi, brittani,
http://www.hrc.org/Content/NavigationMe ... gender.htm
This is a good starter site to fully understand Transgender issues. This is more than being mildly annoyed with one's particular body parts, or wanting to cross dress, or wear pink.
To put it in simplest terms, it is an attempt to make the outside match the inside.
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Postby Apache » Sat Jul 21, 2007 11:13 pm

To add to Puma's Link dropping. I really should put up a sticky.

http://www.queensu.ca/humanrights/tgts/index.html

This is a transgender forum. And a good one at that.
http://www.transgenderzone.com/tzoneforums.htm
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Postby puma » Sun Jul 22, 2007 3:37 am

SiD wrote:To add to Puma's Link dropping. I really should put up a sticky.

http://www.queensu.ca/humanrights/tgts/index.html

This is a transgender forum. And a good one at that.
http://www.transgenderzone.com/tzoneforums.htm

Hi, SiD,
Yes, please do make that sticky. Excellent idea. :) There is alot of confusion and misconceptions about transgender. A resourse sticky that would not be lost as the forum gets posts would be great.
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Postby Apache » Sun Jul 22, 2007 5:45 am

Alrighty, Sound's good.
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