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Re: inappropriate sexual behavior towards child HPD parent

Postby ezpowell » Fri May 02, 2014 7:39 pm

some interesting entries here. the HPD and NPD postings where someone stated that multiple PDs cannot co-exist I have to disagree with. I have multiple people both in and out of my life who exhibit symptoms of both. The one thing I do find a little sad is that some of those very blatantly sexy ladies out there actually are HPD - a small proportion but they are the ones causing all the trouble :)

I have recently decided to cut ties altogether with my mother. I should have done it 20 years ago. She exhibits symptoms of both HPD and NPD. my wife thinks my mother's weird and it took me 15 years to agree with my wife. In fact, i should probably have cut ties with my mother 20 years ago and have been thinking about it for 20 years. I also have two kids to think about. In my youth my mother did ocassionally exhibit innappropriate behavior, she only seems to care about herself and what people think of her, and she is one heck of a dram queen to the point of making me angry as a child. and she is very possessive. she used to establish relationships with girlfriends and effectively end those newly budding friendships to the point where I gave up because i thought i was wasting my time. now recently i have more or less proven to myself that she has been telling an ex-girlfriend where i live, whenever i move, for the last 20 years or so - the ex girlfriend is probably BPD and causes a whole mess of trouble herself - but my mother is the only person who has consistently been in contact with me for 20 years so logically she's the only sensible answer to how this mixed up ex girlfriend is managing to stalk me over 20 years on multiple countries, in multiple cities and even on multiple continents.

So i break ties with my mother, and start researching and thinking about my parents. What a can of worms i come up with. My father is OCD and probably NPD as well - these two dont commonly mix. My mother is either/both NPD and HPD. And I do not agree with anyone who says that psychology is an exact science and would ask that you consider ambiguity as a possibility.

Also I have two kids. My mother isnt very interested in them. My father is more interested and I would trust him more even though there is potential risk with NPD - he has no trouble with women at all. My mother seems to dislike men and is one of those feminists who wants her cake and to eat it too - in fact she isn't really a feminist - just wants to benefits of pretending to be one. I don't think my kids are safe with my mother left alone with her - travelling to another country - she could introduce them to the Borderline PD who has been stalking me for 20 years - and whom she has been assisting.

Anyone have any opinions? I know this is itty-bitty and bounces all over the place - I tend to write in a stream of consciousness when unedited - and I write books - go figure :) Has anyone else had to more or less write their parents off? I migrated to a country where they cannot immigrate into. They can still visit and they always cause huge problems when they do. I have never visited them and I never will. Should I be stopping at least my mother was seeing my children because I thin she will have a negative effect on them and possibly even expose them to the threat of a real live stalker.

??? Opinion please. I am wondering if I am making the correct decision or not. I have tried to build relationships between my mother and my kids for years - I dont want a relationship with my mother herself because she drives me nuts - does it make sense to =be protecting my children from someone who has caused unimaginable and profound damage in my life?
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Re: inappropriate sexual behavior towards child HPD parent

Postby masquerade » Fri May 02, 2014 10:18 pm

As this is an old thread, and the HPD Forum is now specifically for support for those who have the disorder, I am moving this to a more appropriate forum and leaving a link in the HPD forum so the thread can be found.
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Re: inappropriate sexual behavior towards child HPD parent

Postby Esquire » Sun May 04, 2014 2:57 am

Per the discussion upthread, HPD and NPD can absolutely co-exist within the same individual. There is plenty of comorbidity in the world of personality disorders, and it is also probable that instead of each PD being its own sort of self-contained bubble, PDs are actually more like a patchwork quilt, where there are lots of areas where various PDs blend together.
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Re: inappropriate sexual behavior towards child HPD parent

Postby crystal_richardson_ » Sun May 04, 2014 1:07 pm

covert incest is common in HPD/NPD families...
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Re: inappropriate sexual behavior towards child HPD parent

Postby xdude » Sun May 04, 2014 1:13 pm

Hi crystal,

It's been a while, but maybe a year ago I started a thread in the HPD forum on the topic of covert/emotional incest, wondering about just that, how common is it? It's the kind of thing that people can't/won't talk about. The parents involved of course won't admit it (not even to themselves), and the children involved can't possibly cope with it.
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Re: inappropriate sexual behavior towards child HPD parent

Postby crystal_richardson_ » Sun May 04, 2014 1:38 pm

well it happened in my family.

my parents used to sabotage my early friendships (mother). they would get angry with me if I didn't spend enough time with them, and they would blame me and threaten to leave the family without specifying why (father).

I was always very distant from my mother; my dad tried to buy my affection and time with things, but I ultimately rejected him in the later years once I became aware. It was a lot of pressure.

I was overtly sexual with my older brother when I was very young. perhaps I rejected my father because I viewed it as cheating on him?

yes, this is the first time I've spoken about this on the forums, actually.

though I think it is very common - covert incest - more common than both lay and professional people are willing to admit.

I think it is a sickness of Western culture in general, as parents increasing turn to their children for emotional support/ties instead of each other due to the breakdown of marriage and in general adults increasing inability to romantically/intimately relate to each other, so they turn to their children.

It's a lot of pressure. it damages the psyche. unfortunately the only way to escape is reject/no contact the parents. but then you lose those relationships.

But I was just being consumed entirely. I nearly lost myself...I had to end it. But I feel guilty on some level at the same time, but then they also wanted me out when I didn't support their needs, and so resentment has sort of replaced what was once guilt.

wow, this is the first time I ever fully articulated that. think I'll save this post.
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Re: inappropriate sexual behavior towards child HPD parent

Postby xdude » Sun May 04, 2014 2:27 pm

Truth crystal :)
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Re: inappropriate sexual behavior towards child HPD parent

Postby crystal_richardson_ » Sun May 04, 2014 2:53 pm

covert incest families are hostile to all relationships outside of the family. it's like a cult.

I think it can occur in degrees, however. I believe it is a common phenomenon, but families will vary in severity.

I saw it in lesser forms in the families of my friends...I guess mine was a severe case becoming overt in some cases.

although (having actually just recently discovered the concept within the last week) I do agree with some of the literature that to consider all covert/emotional incest abuse is probably unjustified.

it isn't such a big deal for a parent to want to share an emotional connection/have an emotional tie/relationship with their child...it's when it's taken too far that's when it can become abuse.

and I mean you feel it. you lose your self. the pressure is immense and painful. you constantly feel guilty and pressure to give up your life for your parent's needs. and the parents don't care about you at all beyond your service to them. they'll kick you out at the drop of a hat if you don't serve your function.

and within the last few years, probably year actually, I have started to realize this dynamic was at the root of my own issues...

but just as quickly I don't want to explore it much further. knowing now is enough. actually, I want to forget about it, although some more work needs to be done on me, as I have warped attachment/perceptions/etc...if I want to be happy

-- Sun May 04, 2014 2:55 pm --

damn I'm on a roll. going to save this post too..

thx for the prompt xdude <3
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Re: inappropriate sexual behavior towards child HPD parent

Postby xdude » Sun May 04, 2014 3:33 pm

crystal_richardson_ wrote:......
and I mean you feel it. you lose your self. the pressure is immense and painful. you constantly feel guilty and pressure to give up your life for your parent's needs. and the parents don't care about you at all beyond your service to them. they'll kick you out at the drop of a hat if you don't serve your function. .......


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Re: inappropriate sexual behavior towards child HPD parent

Postby xdude » Sun May 04, 2014 3:42 pm

crystal_richardson_ wrote:....unfortunately the only way to escape is reject/no contact the parents. but then you lose those relationships. ......


p.s. yes this is the fundamental quandary.
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