Biblical perspective on HPD

I don't know about scripture and what it says about the HPD, but I can tell you from my own personal experience...

She had a strong what I call 'Darkness' in her. I could only confirm this when I did listen to my own intuition...

Her words and promises were sugary sweet. She was a hell (scuse the pun) of an actress and could fake empathy like a hollywood star. She could promise me the moon, shower me with gifts, help me move in ect...but when it got behind close doors, just her and me, I could feel this dark force inside of her. I could sense the potential of destruction that lay within her

For awhile I tried like crazy to hang to her words, but in the end all that did was make my own intuition rise up...to the point where I no longer could deny...

Thank god I listened to my gut and finally stopped drinking her kool aid...once I finally did that, breaking free was the only healthy option

This one is for Shivers:

The Bible calls both men and women to repentance. The Bible is full of example's of unGodly men. I'll give you one: 1 Corinthians chapter 5 talk's about a man who is having sex with his step-mother. The Bible tells the church to excommunicate him until he comes to repentance. Once he repents, he is welcome back into the church. This is true love! A God who would send his son, Jesus, to provide a way of salvation even for such people as prostitutes, thieves, adulterers, murderers, homosexuals, and gossips is a God that I want to follow. God doesn't condemn us if we are willing to have him help us turn from our sin.
Imagine a man drowning in his own sin. God will throw him a life-line if he wants to come out of his sin but, if he wants to continue to swim in it how can God save him. God is just and want's all people to be saved. He's already thrown the life-line, his son.
Shivers, you seem to have met some so-called Christians who condemn people. True Christians don't condemn but they do call sin what it is "sin". Be careful of judging them for calling sin what it is.
As far as my original post go's. I was just stating that the Bible gave a clear warning not to get intimately involved with a women, or for that matter a man, who is seductive, moveable in what they believe, and unfaithful to their spouse.

Cheers Koos,

I guess you could say I've met some so-called born-again Christians who do go about judging and condemning, who are narrow minded and resentful. Fanatics is a good description that comes to mind.

Thanks for taking the time to educate me.

Cheers

Wow, great answers here.

Going back to the original question of who might be HPD/NPD in the Bible...my first thought was King Saul.

He was the first leader that was appointed in the history of Israel. The people rejected the corrupt sons of Samuel, who was the high priest at the time. (1 Samuel 8:1-9)

After they saw the other heathen nations had kings, they thought that they should have a king as well, instead of putting their trust in God to provide them with guidance. They should have known from the example of Samuel's sons, that humans are often easily corrupted by power.

"Now Samuel called the people together to The Lord at Mizpah; and he said to the people of Israel, "Thus says The Lord, the God of Israel, 'I brought up Israel out of Egypt, and I delivered you from the hand of the Egyptians and from the hand of all the kingdoms that were oppressing you.' But you have this day rejected your God, who saves you from all your calamities and your distresses; and you have said, 'No! but set a king over us.' Now therefore present yourselves before The Lord by your tribes and by your thousands."

"Then Samuel brought all the tribes of Israel near, and the tribe of Benjamin was taken by lot. He brought the tribe of Benjamin near by its families, and the family of the Matrites was taken by lot; finally he brought the family of the Matrites near man by man, and Saul the son of Kish was taken by lot. But when they sought him, he could not be found. So they inquired again of The Lord, "Did the man come hither?" and The Lord said, "Behold, he has hidden himself among the baggage."

"Then they ran and fetched him from there; and when he stood among the people, he was taller than any of the people from his shoulders upward. And Samuel said to all the people, "Do you see him whom The Lord has chosen? There is none like him among all the people." And all the people shouted, "Long live the king!" (1 Samuel 10:17-24 RSV)

The Bible tells us that King Saul was handsome:

1Samuel 9:2

He had a son named Saul, a handsome young man. There was no one among the Israelites more handsome than he was; he stood head and shoulders above all the people.

It seems that most HPD/NPD are physically attractive. It also says that he was taller than any of the other people. Height is a physical attribute that many of us like to associate with the leadership qualities of strength, good character, honor, decisive, moral, etc.

I also recommend reading this blog, which has some really great insight:

http://biblefeast.wordpress.com/sermons ... -saw-fell/

"To Saul, the son of Kish, belongs the honor of becoming the first king of the nation of Israel. There is always glory in being first. His grandfather Aphiah was a man of power (1 Samuel 9:1), but of his father Kish nothing is known. I give Kish the honor of being the father of a very handsome young man. The Bible says that Saul’s handsomeness finds no comparison in all Israel (1 Samuel 9:2)."

The story of the relationship between King Saul and David (the king appointed after Saul) is quite an interesting one.

Wikipedia has this to say:

Rejection

According to 1 Samuel 10:8, Samuel had told Saul to wait for him for seven days before Samuel meets him and gives him further instructions. But as Samuel did not arrive early after 7 days (1 Samuel 13 and 8 and the Israelites became restless, Saul started preparing for battle by offering sacrifices; Samuel arrived just as Saul finished offering his sacrifices and reprimanded Saul for not obeying Samuel's instructions and said that as a result of not keeping God's instructions, God will take away his kingship (1 Samuel 13:14).

After the battle with the Philistines was over, the text describes Samuel as having instructed Saul to kill all the Amalekites, in accordance with the mitzvah to do so. Having forewarned the Kenites living among the Amalekites to leave, Saul went to war and defeated the Amalekites, but only killed all the babies, women, children, poor quality livestock and men, leaving alive the king and best livestock.

When Samuel found out that Saul has not killed them all, he becomes angry and launches into a long and bitter diatribe about how God regretted making Saul king, since Saul is disobedient. When Samuel turns away, Saul grabs Samuel by his clothes tearing a small part of them off, which Samuel states is a prophecy about what would happen to Saul's kingdom. Samuel then commands that the Amalekite king (who, like all other Amalekite kings in the Hebrew Bible, is named Agag) should be brought forth. Samuel proceeds to kill the Amalekite himself and makes a final departure.

And this:

Saul's love of glory

In the text, after David is introduced at court, Jonathan becomes extremely fond of him, to the extent of loving him as himself, and giving his military clothes to David to symbolize David's position as successor to Saul. After David returns from killing Goliath, the women heap praise upon him, and refer to him as a greater military hero than Saul, driving Saul to jealousy, fearing that David constituted a rival to the throne.

Another day, while David is playing the harp, Saul, possessed by an evil spirit, throws a spear at him but misses on two occasions. Saul resolves to remove David from the court and appoints him an officer, but David becomes increasingly successful, making Saul more resentful of him. In return for being his champion, Saul offers to marry his daughter, Merob, to David, but David turns the offer down claiming to be too humble and Merob is married to another man instead. Another daughter, Michal, falls in love with David, so Saul repeats the offer to David with Michal, but again David turns it down claiming to be too poor; Saul persuades David that the bride price would only be 100 foreskins from the Philistines, hoping that David would be killed trying to achieve this. David obtains 200 foreskins and is consequently married to Michal.

The narrative continues as Saul plots against David, but Jonathan dissuades Saul from this course of action, and tells David of it. Saul then tries to have David killed during the night, but Michal helps him escape and tricks his pursuers by using a household idol to make it seem that David is still in bed. David flees to Jonathan, who wasn't living near Saul. Jonathan agrees to return to Saul and discover his ultimate intent. While dining with Saul, Jonathan pretends that David has been called away to his brothers, but Saul sees through this and castigates Jonathan for being the companion of David, and it becomes clear that Saul wants David dead. The next day, Jonathan meets with David and tells him Saul's intent, and the two friends say their goodbyes, as David flees into the country. Saul later marries Michal to another man instead of David.

Saul is later informed by his head shepherd,an Edomite named Doeg, that Ahimelech assisted David. A henchman is sought to kill Ahimelech and the other priests of Nob. None of Saul's henchmen is willing to do this, so Doeg offers to do it instead, killing 85 priests. Saul also kills every man, woman and child living in Nob.

David had already left Nob by this point and had amassed about 400 disaffected men including a group of outlaws. With these men David launched an attack on the Philistines at Keilahhe. Saul realised he could trap David and his men inside the city and besiege it. However, David hears about this, and having received divine council (via the Ephod), finds that the citizens of Keilah would betray him to Saul, decides to leave and flees to Ziph. Saul discovers this and pursues David on two occasions:

* Some of the inhabitants of Ziph betray David's location to Saul, but David hears about it and flees with his men to Maon. Saul follows David, but while Saul travels along one side of the gorge, David travels along the other, and Saul is forced to break off pursuit when the Philistines invade. This is supposedly how the place became known as the gorge of divisions. David hides in the caves at Engedi and after fighting the Philistines, Saul returns to Engedi to attack him. Saul eventually enters the cave in which David had been hiding, but as David was in the darkest recesses Saul doesn't spot him. David swipes at Saul and cuts off part of his garment, but restrains himself and his associates from going further due to a taboo against killing an anointed king. David then leaves the cave, revealing himself to Saul, and gives a speech that persuades Saul to reconcile.

* On the second occasion Saul returns to Ziph with his men. When David hears of this he sneaks into Saul's camp by night, and thrusts his spear into the ground near where Saul was sleeping. David prevents his associates from killing Saul due to a taboo against killing an anointed king, and merely steals Saul's spear and water jug. The next day, David stands at the top of a slope opposite to Saul's camp, and shouts that he had been in Saul's camp the previous night (using the spear and jug as proof). David then gives a speech that persuades Saul to reconcile with David, and the two make an oath not to harm one another.

Look guys, I HAVE a girlfriend with HPD. She is "trying" to live godly but she usually fails miserably. Read a thorough description of what HPD is before you comment on anything. I can attest to feeling destroyed often because of her logic and actions. She has a "friend" who just got out of prison after 20 yrs (btw she is 23) and he told her he went to jail because he and his friend went out with his dads shotgun and shot up an abandoned house at 16 yrs old and a homeless guy was in it. She believes every word he says and he buys her lunch often and recently asked her to dinner and a movie at his place and said she could stay over if she wanted. I told her that would be like buying a pack of cigarettes and a lighter and saying "Im not going to smoke." Her logic is "I would believe you. Maybe you just need to smell the cigarettes and lots of Christians have lighters." In a nutshell her logic is fried, she trusts to eagerly, she is flirty and touchy with men, she has her "wrecklessness" (as she calls it) where she makes dangerous decisions (like drinking and driving on purpose), she "tests" me on a regular basis by saying she will look for male attention somewhere else if she doesnt get enough from me, .... etc. All in the name of getting noticed as the center of attention. Dont get me wrong... she is the most caring and sweet-hearted person you will ever know. You just cant confront her or talk with her about certain things without her blowing up and yelling at you to leave. I feel destroyed physically in my chest, emotionally in my heart, mentally as if I almost try to rationalize her actions, and spiritually as she gives a conflicting view on what she wants i.e. (I want to do "God's will" and even be abstinent, but her actions are the complete opposite). [***mod edit - personal information removed***]

SvenRN334,

This is a very old thread and because of the topic very likely to trigger someone, but that written...

I understand you are hurting and I do hope you find some solace. Having been there myself, I'd like to make a suggestion that may help you (it helped me anyway).

What helped me was to stop trying to figure out how she thinks, accept it at face value, including that often it didn't make sense to me, and never will make sense and that's enough to understand.

More generally I think we can end up making ourselves ill trying to understand someone else' illogical thinking too deeply. It's unlikely to help them get better anyway, and more likely to leave us feeling unwell.

p.s. I strongly suggest though starting a thread in this forum of your own, or a continuing a thread of your own, to discuss how you are being affected now. That is also what has helped me too - some really good advice from some really helpful people who kept telling me over and over, focus less on her, and more on why I got involved, why I remained involved, etc. I really do believe it will help you too.

Personally I wonder, if that didnt include every woman who didnt cross her legs on time.

SvenRN334 wrote:Look guys, I HAVE a girlfriend with HPD. she usually fails miserably. I can attest to feeling destroyed often because of her logic and actions. She has a "friend" who buys her lunch often and recently asked her to dinner and a movie at his place and said she could stay over if she wanted. In a nutshell her logic is fried, she trusts to eagerly, she is flirty and touchy with men, she has her "wrecklessness" (as she calls it) where she makes dangerous decisions (like drinking and driving on purpose), she "tests" me on a regular basis by saying she will look for male attention somewhere else if she doesnt get enough from me, .... etc. You cant confront her or talk with her about certain things without her blowing up and yelling at you to leave. I feel destroyed physically in my chest, emotionally in my heart, mentally as if I almost try to rationalize her actions, and spiritually as she gives a conflicting view on what she wants i.e. (I want to do "God's will" and even be abstinent, but her actions are the complete opposite).

Your girlfriend is going on dates with other dudes, and then trying to rationalize it with you. My advice is simple. Don't get her pregnant, and wrap it up tight. Picture this scenario, the HPD mother of your children suddenly decides to rip your heart in half, moves your kids to another county, lies to everyone she knows about what a horrible human being you are, and then uses those same flirty manipulation skills to convince the friend of the court that you are a monster without a shred of evidence whatsoever.

Protect your heart and let this one go before it's too late.