The Manipulation Foood Chain

I’ve been thinking a of a new theory regarding manipulation among personality disorders. I wanted to run the idea by you guys and hear your input.
So what I’ve come up with is: Psycho/Sociopaths>Borderlines>Narcissists>Nuerotypical. Starting at the bottom, I think narcissists are capable of outmatching the nuerotypical, particularly the low self esteem ones. Mostly because of the Intense drive and determination and arrogance. The nuerotypical will always perceive the Narc to be the dominant person. Next up the chain, I believe Borderlines can outmatch the narc. Yes I know it doesn’t make sense and I thought It was the other way around at first but let me explain. Even though the Borderline seems like the ideal target for the narc, the Borderline has one trait that destroys the Narc. The splitting. The Narc is inevitably going to offend the Borderline at somebody point. Once the Borderline splits the narc into all bad, the narc will lose its mind trying to get the Borderline to fuel his ego. The sudden split will leave the narc devastated. Lastly, the psycho/sociopath will outmatch the Borderline because the sociopath can easily control the Borderline Due to intense mood swings and emotions. The sociopath has no fear if the Borderline drops them and will eventually move on to somebody else. This may be wrong and obviously doesn’t fit everybody, but like i said just a theory and I would appreciate feedback. Thanks

I don’t know about others but I never allow anybody really dominate me. I think people should be equal. If somebody try to dominate me I usually leave the situation or defend myself quite quickly. I don’t have patience for that kind of behavior.

I don’t have any disorder myself.

Dahlia

Seems like a reasonable theory.

Some "neurotypicals" appear to see through narcissism, or view with greater skepticism/criticism, but agree that many also seem to be ?overly? attracted to the appearance of confidence, drive, charm, etc. As you wrote, self-esteem may be a factor in that perception.

Maybe experience plays a factor too? People can have good implicit self-esteem, but until they have had experiences that really tests them, well they can't know (yet) that their self-esteem is fragile too.

I bring this up because I believe (just a personal belief, not fact), that compensatory narcissists are intimately familiar with implicit self-esteem damage. They've experienced that deep self-esteem damage personally (as have BPD types, another comment below on that), but that also means they are intuitively and deeply aware of self-esteem frailty in others. Likewise, intuitively aware of what boosts others self-esteem.

I also think you are correct, or on the right track, BPD types know how to build-up, or tear-down their NPD counter-types. BPD types may also be more in touch with their emotions, and have an even keener sense than NPD types, what triggers the narcissist. As you wrote, eventually the idealization will break down, and when the devaluation begins, the NPD has met his/her match in a BPD partner.

And the HPD where is in the chain and why?

What about hpd?

-- Sun Jan 28, 2018 6:32 pm --

What about hpd?

This sounds about right. Borderline in my opinion could be the most dangerous in the right circumstances. The core of people with BPD is anger. They master the skill of surpressing their emotions from a very young age, under 5 is my guess. This anger needs an outlet so when they explode their anger is v cold and behavior could be off the wall and so out of character it could leave a person speechless. Narcs etc core hang ups are about security and low self esteem. Borderline are also put themselves out there when hurt or having intense feelings, where narcs etc are sneaky and deceptive in their cruelty.

RayAllen wrote:What about hpd?

-- Sun Jan 28, 2018 6:32 pm --

What about hpd?

Hey Ray!
How you finished your story with the HPD girl ?

Hey Jose, hope all is well. I haven’t seen her in months but I still do think about her a lot tbh. Hopefully things get better.

RayAllen wrote:What about hpd?

JoseMaria wrote:And the HPD where is in the chain and why?

Just my own guess, and it really is just a guess...

HPD is the least studied, and least understood variant cluster B type. My belief is that's because it's also the least structured personality type of the variants. So much of this personality type revolves around attention, to get what is wanted requires having essentially no fixed personality or beliefs. Adapting to each situation/opportunity maximizes attention, but that means the person with HPD ends up with no stable personality either.

HPD is different than NPD because NPD types do (typically) have a solid sense of who they are. NPD types are overall, consistent. Others actually do know what to expect (for the most part). With HPD types, even they don't know. One day (or even one hour, or minutes later), they can switch roles including radical shifts in beliefs.

Ironically HPD types are the ultimate loners as they shift this way and that way, rarely grounded to anyone or anything, in the pursuit of the next fix of attention.

i agree that bpd npd they find their match with each other but why nos are the last and not the first? i am not sure about this. i think a smart non wouldn't play, they would put boundaries and leave from the start and see everyone's #######4.narcissism would be a turn off except if you have trauma.
i would put last the codependent. because all the others are selfish and he is the only one who is the opposite of selfish. nons are helthy selfish too.

i often wonder if nons would be top or bottom of manipulation.the say a smart empathetic non could win or not play .if they are both equally smart,logically the non disordered would win because pds self destruct or have a weakness in self esteem(like a Achilles' heel) that a non hasn't.but he may have other weakness that pds will exploid?