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Re: DID without amnesia?

Postby ChristaAngel » Sun Oct 21, 2012 11:14 am

tomboy24 wrote:I didn't really think I said that the glass couldn't be shattered. Nor did I think I stated a theory about the glass not being able to shatter. If anything, I thought I said a theory on how glass can shatter in different ways.
If the glass isn't shattered, to me that symbolizes someone "whole", a "singleton", someone who does not have DDNOS, DDNOS-1, or DID (or, really, any dissociative disorder).
To me, cracked glass symbolizes DDNOS/DDNOS-1 (and possibly any other dissociative disorder), but of course, it depends on how "cracked" the glass is.
Slightly broken glass with a few pieces missing can also symbolize DDNOS-1 for me, as there are dissociative states, and EP alters, but no amnesia and no full-blown splits/DID.
Broken glass symbolizes DID to me because of the different pieces there would be left from it shattering. There could be a few big pieces, there could be several thousand little pieces, but it all symbolizes the fact that the glass is not whole.

This is what I was looking for. Now you presented your theory (or metaphor) in a lot clearer way.

I'm not sure what "arguments" I should have presented, nor do I usually present arguments unless I think that they're needed (like if I'm trying to convince someone of something, or if I'm debating something, stuff like that).


tomboy24 wrote:So another question: Is is possible to have DDNOS/DDNOS-1 and then have something happens that escalates it into DID? Rain's always using the glass metaphor, so like, is it possible to have a child who's cracked like glass, then have something break that glass into different pieces? I always thought it was, but perhaps I'm wrong. It just seems logical to me that if a brain already is used to using dissociation tactics for survival, a full split isn't that far-fetched for it to do if it's already cracked and feels it "needs" to break into different pieces.


It's not important but since you are asking: This is the part I didn't understand. You say that the glass cannot be shattered, but then you never explain why and you go back to the theory where it can be shattered.
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Re: DID without amnesia?

Postby sev0n » Sun Oct 21, 2012 12:12 pm

tomboy24 wrote:So another question: Is is possible to have DDNOS/DDNOS-1 and then have something happens that escalates it into DID?


Looking at etiology - I do not think that is possible, but this of course is not a clearly defined area, but it does seem to be where the experts in DID have been going with their thought.

We begin life without a unified sense of self/personality.

DDNOS-1 is thought to occur rather than DID when there has been some childhood integration occur.

DID is when there was no childhood integration.



Perhaps as you become more aware of your system, your DID has been more visible to you. This is the normal course. You know the saying - it gets worse before the calm.
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Re: DID without amnesia?

Postby tomboy24 » Sun Oct 21, 2012 7:24 pm

ChristaAngel wrote:
tomboy24 wrote:So another question: Is is possible to have DDNOS/DDNOS-1 and then have something happens that escalates it into DID? Rain's always using the glass metaphor, so like, is it possible to have a child who's cracked like glass, then have something break that glass into different pieces? I always thought it was, but perhaps I'm wrong. It just seems logical to me that if a brain already is used to using dissociation tactics for survival, a full split isn't that far-fetched for it to do if it's already cracked and feels it "needs" to break into different pieces.


It's not important but since you are asking: This is the part I didn't understand. You say that the glass cannot be shattered, but then you never explain why and you go back to the theory where it can be shattered.
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I didn't say that the glass can't be shattered. I meant "I always thought it was, but perhaps I'm wrong", as: "I always thought it was possible for a child who starts out like cracked glass to have something that happens that breaks the glass into different pieces, thus causing DID, but perhaps I'm wrong". I asked if something was possible, then said "I always thought it was", meaning I always thought it was indeed possible, "but perhaps I'm wrong", showing that I know I'm not positively correct. Sorry if it was slightly confusing, it wasn't to me. I never left the topic of the glass being shattered in different ways.
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Re: DID without amnesia?

Postby brokenheart » Mon Dec 24, 2012 6:27 pm

tomboy24 wrote:Though I don't quite understand the conclusion that you came to, I am glad that you seemed to have solved your problems. :D I just wanted to answer your initial "title" question, "DID without amnesia?" Yes, DID can happen without amnesia. It is only one of the symptoms that people look for when diagnosing DID because it's one of the more common symptoms that doesn't change from person to person. Since DID is a very personal disorder, there can be many variances between different peoples' DID. I rarely have full black-out amnesia, or "time loss". Usually what happens instead is that I get "locked" inside mentally. Sometimes I'll see a "wall", or I'll be in a "room". I'm aware that time is passing and that I'm not in control, but I'm unaware of how much time is passing, I don't always know who's in control, and I don't know what's going on "outside". When I first began switching, I didn't have amnesia at all. Instead, it was like someone shoved me aside and took over control, but I could still "watch" from the background. So I could still see everything that was happening, but I wasn't in control of myself. Some people only experience being the the "background" and never have amnesia with their DID. Everyone's different. :D


Exactly, I always seem to get that whenever Desire comes out... It's a good thing I don't have amnesia.
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Re: DID without amnesia?

Postby sacred_unspoken » Mon Dec 24, 2012 7:53 pm

I think this would be more along the lines of depersonalization. DID happens with amnesia, although some parts you can be o-conscious with :)
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Re: DID without amnesia?

Postby tomboy24 » Mon Dec 24, 2012 9:38 pm

It's not depersonalization, it's being co-conscious since I'm able to still be aware of what's going on even though I'm not the one in control. It's still a complete switch, there's just no amnesia with it.

With DID, 1-2 alters have to lose time. This doesn't mean the host has to lose time, or anything like that. Other alters could be the ones losing time and that would count as DID even if the host never loses time or experiences amnesia. As long as 1-2 alters in the system experience time loss, it's DID.
(For example, Kat has the ability to be co-conscious will all of the first level/Main Group alters. But she can lose time if someone from the 2nd level/Secondary Group, such as Damone, is out. And likewise, Damone tends to lose time if someone from the 1st level/Main Group is out. So even if I never lost time (though I've been noticing I do), it would still be considered DID because Damone and Kat lose time).


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