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Re: DID or DDNOS - the perpetual question...

Postby Demon Lilith » Fri Sep 02, 2011 10:47 pm

tylas wrote:Sorry the D: icon did not come out and I assumed it was a laughing icon instead of a frown!

You can think of them as anyway you want. Mine are ego states and I can think of mine any way I want. Mine are part of me. We are one. One for all.. all for one is our saying!


That's the thing. Yours are just ego states, then. Mine are not. I don't mind how you discuss yours. Just don't make it sound like we're all like that. That's what upset me. I don't care if you all want to integrate; in fact, more power to you! But don't imply that we're doing something bad and wrong by not integrating. We get that too much from the parents.

Maybe we should continue this in PM? If you have anything else to say, that is. I just don't want to take over this thread.
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Re: DID or DDNOS - the perpetual question...

Postby sev0n » Fri Sep 02, 2011 11:02 pm

brandic wrote:
I found this in my DDNOS searches:

"Generally speaking though, people with DDNOS don't have clear-cut ("separate and distinct") alter personalities and often don't have amnesia during a "switch." Often the parts don't have names and parts or fragments are much more often co-conscious, where the person feels like s/he is observing themselves acting differently than normal, but not fully in control of their behavior. It is like one personality part is in control, and the other one is watching...so there is no amnesia. Another way to describe it is that instead of having amnesia during a switch, you experience depersonalization. Finally, it's important to realize that if you are diagnosed with DDNOS, it (1) doesn't necessarily mean you were abused, and it doesn't mean you weren't, and (2), it doesn't mean (if you were abused) the abuse you endured was necessarily less serious than someone who has DID.


But this is just from a blog, not an expert on the subject.
http://www.angelfire.com/psy/amanda/ddnos2.html

-- Fri Sep 02, 2011 4:06 pm --

brandic wrote:Like, I'll remember having dated someone for 6 months or a year, but I literally cannot remember a single thing we did together. I remember at some point I was engaged to someone. Couldn't tell you how or why that came about. Also, pre hospital I dated men. Post hospital period, I've been with women and identify as a lesbian. Since the DID diagnosis came up four or five months ago, I've at times wondered if it was even "me" before the hospitalization period, but that thought just freaks me out too much to think about.


I certainly can empathize with this!
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Re: DID or DDNOS - the perpetual question...

Postby tomboy24 » Sat Sep 03, 2011 9:02 pm

Yes, but I found that other sites and sources were saying the exact same things. The blog just seemed to put it into more easily understood terms, at least to me. That's why I quoted it.

tylas wrote:
brandic wrote:
I found this in my DDNOS searches:

"Generally speaking though, people with DDNOS don't have clear-cut ("separate and distinct") alter personalities and often don't have amnesia during a "switch." Often the parts don't have names and parts or fragments are much more often co-conscious, where the person feels like s/he is observing themselves acting differently than normal, but not fully in control of their behavior. It is like one personality part is in control, and the other one is watching...so there is no amnesia. Another way to describe it is that instead of having amnesia during a switch, you experience depersonalization. Finally, it's important to realize that if you are diagnosed with DDNOS, it (1) doesn't necessarily mean you were abused, and it doesn't mean you weren't, and (2), it doesn't mean (if you were abused) the abuse you endured was necessarily less serious than someone who has DID.


But this is just from a blog, not an expert on the subject.
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Re: DID or DDNOS - the perpetual question...

Postby sev0n » Sat Sep 03, 2011 9:09 pm

Perhaps this is where the confusion comes from. The blogger is talking about DDNOS, not just DID-like DDNOS.

Quote from her site and the paragraph you pasted here:
"DDNOS doesn't ONLY refer to people who have personality fragmentation, but also those who dissociate in various ways but experience themselves essentially 'whole.' "
http://www.angelfire.com/psy/amanda/ddnos2.html
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"Generally speaking though, people with DDNOS don't have clear-cut ("separate and distinct") alter personalities and often don't have amnesia during a "switch."

DDNOS is not associated with amnesia - correct.
DDNOS is associated with clear-cut alter personalities. This is in no way a criteria for separating DID from DDNOS.


"Often the parts don't have names"

This is the same with DID or DDNOS. Some parts have names and others do not. See the first chapter in E. Howell's 2011 Book on DID for examples of those with DID where no alters have names.


"and parts or fragments are much more often co-conscious, where the person feels like s/he is observing themselves acting differently than normal, but not fully in control of their behavior.
It is like one personality part is in control, and the other one is watching...so there is no amnesia. "


This varies in the alters and person but is present or not in both DID and DDNOS. It is NOT a way to define DID from DDNOS. Co-consciousness is about communication. Both those with DID and DDNOS can work on communication and develop co-consciousness. I never feel as if I am watching someone else.


Can you site some experts that describe it this way?
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Re: DID or DDNOS - the perpetual question...

Postby tomboy24 » Sat Sep 03, 2011 9:45 pm

I apologize for posting confusing information, it made sense to us and didn't seem so contradictory (then again, what information in regards to DID and DDNOS isn't contradictory?). We don't keep our research and don't research often. It triggers us now-a-days. When we do research, we find the one that seems to match all the sites we read best and that makes sense to us and save it, even if we never look at it again. We used to research a lot, but it started to cause a never-ending cycle of asking questions and researching, and got very unhealthy for us. Even this thread's started to get a bit "trigger-y" for us, but I'd found that I'd saved some info and though it might help, when apparently it doesn't. Sorry. :oops:
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Re: DID or DDNOS - the perpetual question...

Postby sev0n » Sat Sep 03, 2011 9:49 pm

tomboy24 wrote:I apologize for posting confusing information, it made sense to us and didn't seem so contradictory (then again, what information in regards to DID and DDNOS isn't contradictory?). We don't keep our research and don't research often. It triggers us now-a-days. When we do research, we find the one that seems to match all the sites we read best and that makes sense to us and save it, even if we never look at it again. We used to research a lot, but it started to cause a never-ending cycle of asking questions and researching, and got very unhealthy for us. Even this thread's started to get a bit "trigger-y" for us, but I'd found that I'd saved some info and though it might help, when apparently it doesn't. Sorry. :oops:


It's a good thing! If you were confused, then it stands to reason that many were confused as well!

I have learned to read just the stuff from the experts and only the newest information out there - books wrote this year for the most part with a couple of rare exceptions. So many are still stuck in old ideas of the what DID-like DDNOS and DID were thought to be. I want to know the truth.

There are plenty of us out here that will help keep you on the right path is you should go astray. :D
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