Pleasurable?

I sometimes prefer not being attached to reality as for me sometimes reality just sucks, I mean at the moment I am getting so much grieve and crap from my parents, I just go of and speak to my alters(sorry for saying alters Jess).
As I feel a lot more safe and sometimes certain triggers can trigger a bad past experience of mine and I just start fast switching and I end up in a chaotic but calm state of mind, Its like your mind is on twice the speed of fast forward and you are or should I say I am trying to get away from it.

She completely enjoys it. I hate to reveal personal details but as there is unanimity here, please understand. She attended the funeral and was then able to laugh at it because of her dissociative state? I'm still trying to understand this. I want to help her and my desire isn't phony in any way. I'm just not sure what action to take because she's going beyond the realms of ordinary psychology?

Well I don't know if this will help at all? But I sometimes make jokes when I get very nervous or scared.

Vivienne wrote:She completely enjoys it. I hate to reveal personal details but as there is unanimity here, please understand. She attended the funeral and was then able to laugh at it because of her dissociative state? I'm still trying to understand this. I want to help her and my desire isn't phony in any way. I'm just not sure what action to take because she's going beyond the realms of ordinary psychology?

I get what you are talking about now. I go through the same things at times. Went through it at times even when my mother died. Unfortunately I don't know what to say to help, but I understand what you are saying...

This is why I made the distinction between retrospect and current experience. I know in my case, I may as well have really been two different people... My mother was dead and I didn't feel. Didn't even feel that I wasn't feeling. You know what I mean? It felt normal and not unusual at all from my perspective at the time.

Perspective is important. For me, I wasn't consciously trying to be that way because I thought it was better. I just was that way. I didn't feel sadness or pain but I also didn't feel a reason to feel sadness or pain, and didn't see my lack of feeling as unusual at all. At the time, that was just how it was and I didn't know any different.

Thank you Josh.

gwilly wrote:

Vivienne wrote:She completely enjoys it. I hate to reveal personal details but as there is unanimity here, please understand. She attended the funeral and was then able to laugh at it because of her dissociative state? I'm still trying to understand this. I want to help her and my desire isn't phony in any way. I'm just not sure what action to take because she's going beyond the realms of ordinary psychology?

I get what you are talking about now. I go through the same things at times. Went through it at times even when my mother died. Unfortunately I don't know what to say to help, but I understand what you are saying...

This is why I made the distinction between retrospect and current experience. I know in my case, I may as well have really been two different people... My mother was dead and I didn't feel. Didn't even feel that I wasn't feeling. You know what I mean? It felt normal and not unusual at all from my perspective at the time.

Perspective is important. For me, I wasn't consciously trying to be that way because I thought it was better. I just was that way. I didn't feel sadness or pain but I also didn't feel a reason to feel sadness or pain, and didn't see my lack of feeling as unusual at all. At the time, that was just how it was and I didn't know any different.

She describes herself as 'not feeling' while in her ordinary state. Her emotions are different because they're experienced through an alternate personalty" Not sure if anyone relates. Perhaps its similar? I'm not sure. She knows reality form imagination however she does things and justifies them through an alternative personality.

Yet again she ENJOYS dissociation entirely so I was wondering... who else does..

It just seems to me that dissociative-ness HAS to be a response to a situation and has to be pleasurable because you have the control of what happens? You choose to dissociate. Please correct me if I"m wrong.

Vivienne wrote:

gwilly wrote:

Vivienne wrote:She completely enjoys it. I hate to reveal personal details but as there is unanimity here, please understand. She attended the funeral and was then able to laugh at it because of her dissociative state? I'm still trying to understand this. I want to help her and my desire isn't phony in any way. I'm just not sure what action to take because she's going beyond the realms of ordinary psychology?

I get what you are talking about now. I go through the same things at times. Went through it at times even when my mother died. Unfortunately I don't know what to say to help, but I understand what you are saying...

This is why I made the distinction between retrospect and current experience. I know in my case, I may as well have really been two different people... My mother was dead and I didn't feel. Didn't even feel that I wasn't feeling. You know what I mean? It felt normal and not unusual at all from my perspective at the time.

Perspective is important. For me, I wasn't consciously trying to be that way because I thought it was better. I just was that way. I didn't feel sadness or pain but I also didn't feel a reason to feel sadness or pain, and didn't see my lack of feeling as unusual at all. At the time, that was just how it was and I didn't know any different.

She describes herself as 'not feeling' while in her ordinary state. Her emotions are different because they're experienced through an alternate personalty" Not sure if anyone relates. Perhaps its similar? I'm not sure. She knows reality form imagination however she does things and justifies them through an alternative personality.

Yet again she ENJOYS dissociation entirely so I was wondering... who else does..

It might be that she has her identity flipped... what she considers normal might actually be the dissociation. It's possible. I have enjoyable dissociative experiences at times, but they are complex and specific.

Vivienne wrote:It just seems to me that dissociative-ness HAS to be a response to a situation and has to be pleasurable because you have the control of what happens? You choose to dissociate. Please correct me if I"m wrong.

You can choose to dissociate, but it isn't necessary to choose it. It can be fully involuntary.

Vivienne wrote:

gwilly wrote:

Vivienne wrote:She completely enjoys it. I hate to reveal personal details but as there is unanimity here, please understand. She attended the funeral and was then able to laugh at it because of her dissociative state? I'm still trying to understand this. I want to help her and my desire isn't phony in any way. I'm just not sure what action to take because she's going beyond the realms of ordinary psychology?

I get what you are talking about now. I go through the same things at times. Went through it at times even when my mother died. Unfortunately I don't know what to say to help, but I understand what you are saying...

This is why I made the distinction between retrospect and current experience. I know in my case, I may as well have really been two different people... My mother was dead and I didn't feel. Didn't even feel that I wasn't feeling. You know what I mean? It felt normal and not unusual at all from my perspective at the time.

Perspective is important. For me, I wasn't consciously trying to be that way because I thought it was better. I just was that way. I didn't feel sadness or pain but I also didn't feel a reason to feel sadness or pain, and didn't see my lack of feeling as unusual at all. At the time, that was just how it was and I didn't know any different.

She describes herself as 'not feeling' while in her ordinary state. Her emotions are different because they're experienced through an alternate personalty" Not sure if anyone relates. Perhaps its similar? I'm not sure. She knows reality form imagination however she does things and justifies them through an alternative personality.

Yet again she ENJOYS dissociation entirely so I was wondering... who else does..

I can definitely relate, In more ways then one, I sometimes don't feel able to express or feel my emotions as a lot of my emotions are suppressed sometimes and when I am co conscious with my other personality's they express and feel those emotions for me so I don't feel cut of from the world, I am very complicated so I can understand complicated situations, Its sounds a bit to surreal I know but I have always been like this.