Alter claims in convosation

Hi all its been a long time since i've been active on the forum. i could really use others opinions on this situation.

One of my Alters has claimed in convocation with one of my friends that they are not human, she has not said what she claims to be but what i wanted to know is has anyone else even heard of this or knows if it is possible?

Any alter can have any sort of identity. Including a fictive character or a historical person, an animal, a mythological creature, a ghost...

Alters can come in any shape inside When they aren't human, their appearence can sometimes have a meaning.

For example, our former host wasn't human, she identified as a coyote. She was the one carring shame, submissive behaviors, and the need to blend in her environment, to not attract attention. She was also very, very hypervigilent. With all that, being a coyote made more sense to her than being human!

See here : did-research.org - non-human alters

Backing up Arbremonde and Dwelt...

We have one human alter, and she's one of our Littles. Our system has a lot of different demons, and we're pretty sure we know why. There are also fae, and we have an idea of why. We won't get into the entire thinking behind why, but given how much religious trauma we endured along with a lot of Othering, our system latched onto non-humans.

Hope that helps,
Violette

Here to provide further support for what everyone has already told you: definitely a thing that happens.

I struggled to accept it myself as well when it turned out one of my alters doesn't identify as human but rather as an angel. Especially cause I'm not religious and religion doesn't really get along with me to put it mildly, I thought it couldn't be true either. What you need to remember however is that your alters are often "created" by your brain when you were still a child. There's a good chance your alter therefore makes logical sense for a child rather than for you in a later stage of your life.

I.e. a dog is loyal and protective so your protector could be a dog.
or an alter who is always cruel and angry as a persecutor might identify as a demon.

In my personal case, I've learned that, despite the fact I'm not religious, I have seen angels as creatures of guidance, justice, messengers of death, and guardians/healers. My angel alter is a gatekeeper, protector and inner-self helper. See how it makes perfect sense for an alter like that to be an angel for me?

It was a tough pill for me to swallow too, but looking at it like this helped me a lot (with thanks to the people above for pointing that out to me).

~ Grey

Hello and thank you to all who replied also any who may in the future, our host has been at odds with our situation for a while now due to us being sent to a new doctor giving us conflicting information.
Before I continue I would like to introduce myself formally, My name is Erica I am 21 years old and female, I’m what we refer to as the main alter in as much as I am the most frequently awake aside from our host.

The post regarding non-human alters concerns me that the one of us it is about isn’t being believed this worries me as I feel like it could cause discontent within our system that has been mostly at peace for the last 3 years
Am I overreacting, being too sensitive? I know this is less of a D.I.D issue and more of a personal one and I apologise for that but if any of you have any insight on this I would be grateful.

kadssdak wrote:the one of us it is about isn’t being believed

I am not sure I understand properly so I will give a few answers and you pick the one most fitting.

The alter is not believed by the doctors: the doctors lack information about DID or misunderstand what the alter says. Some doctors might think it's not possible for non-human identities to happen. Some doctors might think the alter is litteraly saying "this is not a human body" so they answer "not possible" since the body is obviously human. But the alter's identity is not human.

The alter is not believed by the friends: some people are intimately convinced it is impossible to have a non-human identity despite peer-reviewed proof that some people do have a non-human identity. If science cannot convince them, nothing will, I'm afraid.

The alter is not believed / listened to by the rest of the system: this might be the reason why the alter developped a non-human identity. If the alter contains memories, emotions, thoughts... that the rest of the system is uncomfortable with, the system might push the alter away so the alter feels "not human" because they are not accepted by the system.

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There are many case reports of DID people with non-human alters. And many case reports of people with less dissociation than DID and at least one non-human facet to their identity (otherkin, therian, fictionkin, tulpamancy, daemonism...)

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If it helps you that I list my personal Pokédex of identities, I have (still active or who became inactive): fictive characters (Sherlock Holmes, Watson, Aragorn, characters from mangas...) - a Pokémon - an angel - a faun-dryad - a faun-stayr - some sort of incubus vampire demon - a qilin (chinese dragon-unicorn) - a couple homunculi (artificial humans made with alchemy) - an elf - ghosts

So, it makes me a bit confused when I hear people say that it's not possible to develop a non-human or a fictive identity. Coz I'm packed full of them and I'm pretty sure I'm (beaver-made ) dam real! (and full of dad jokes too)

kadssdak wrote:I would like to introduce myself formally, My name is Erica I am 21 years old and female, I’m what we refer to as the main alter in as much as I am the most frequently awake aside from our host.

Hi Erica .. I am Jay... I mainly do social correspondence,getting shopping in and stuff. I'm usually out most days for a short time, mostly mornings. We also have non-human alters and ones that are not 'versions of me' alters. I find it confusing tbh and initially thought only the 'version of me at different age' alters who had actually fronted out in 'real life '(college/work etc answering to the legal name) were the actual alters and others were fictional (the product of the child alters' imagination) if they never left the inside.

ArbreMonde wrote:
There are many case reports of DID people with non-human alters. And many case reports of people with less dissociation than DID and at least one non-human facet to their identity (otherkin, therian, fictionkin, tulpamancy, daemonism...)

If it helps you that I list my personal Pokédex of identities, I have (still active or who became inactive): fictive characters (Sherlock Holmes, Watson, Aragorn, characters from mangas...) - a Pokémon - an angel - a faun-dryad - a faun-stayr - some sort of incubus vampire demon - a qilin (chinese dragon-unicorn) - a couple homunculi (artificial humans made with alchemy) - an elf - ghosts

So, it makes me a bit confused when I hear people say that it's not possible to develop a non-human or a fictive identity. Coz I'm packed full of them and I'm pretty sure I'm (beaver-made ) dam real! (and full of dad jokes too)

If there's many cases of people having both Tulpa's and Alters living together why are DID communities so against people who have alters who believe they are Tulpa's? (or just prefer that term) This seems particuarly true where the group is mainly Neurotypical people whose DID came from intense 'family trauma' in early childhood?

Re your alters... if you are integrated are they still all inside as seperate alters? I thought Integration meant those that integrated with the main front kind of disappear from the inside...the front may take on some of their traits/knowledge but the integrated alter can no longer blend in and out at will?? (take the front as a seperate alter and have a seperate life within inside world too).

TheTriForce wrote:If there's many cases of people having both Tulpa's and Alters living together why are DID communities so against people who have alters who believe they are Tulpa's? (or just prefer that term) This seems particuarly true where the group is mainly Neurotypical people whose DID came from intense 'family trauma' in early childhood?

Gatekeeping and internalized psychophobia I guess. Tulpamancy to its core is more like a mix between daydreaming and home-made ego state therapy. A lot of people outside of the tulpa community are agressive towards tulpamancy and they make "straw men" against it, among them: tulpamancers "want to have DID" (no, they want to use the natural dissociative abilities of the brain in order to have fun or for personal development, moreover, tulpamancers show that tulpamancy has therapeutic effects on their anxiety disorders and helps manage strong emotions and cope with many other disorders) - they "are against DID people" (no, in fact a lot of traumatized and sometimes DID people are in the tulpamancy communities and are afraid of discovering they were traumatized so they just call their alters "tulpas" so that they can stay away from their own pain untill they are ready to face said pain) - tulpamancy is said to be "appropriating Buddhism" (wrong again, tulpas are not in Tibetan Buddhism, tulpamancy is in fact the opposite of Buddhism practices of Yidam, the word "tulpa" does not exist in sanskrit or in tibaitan, the whole tulpa thing is the theosophist thoughtform with a buddhist-like paintjob atop of it) source

TheTriForce wrote:Re your alters... if you are integrated are they still all inside as seperate alters?

Their identities can still be active sometimes but they all feel like the same "me". It's the many shapes of me rather than different, separate selves. I really need to focus in order to talk with them separately, a bit like any non-dissociative person does when they are using ego state therapy.

ArbreMonde wrote:

TheTriForce wrote:If there's many cases of people having both Tulpa's and Alters living together why are DID communities so against people who have alters who believe they are Tulpa's? (or just prefer that term) This seems particuarly true where the group is mainly Neurotypical people whose DID came from intense 'family trauma' in early childhood?

Gatekeeping and internalized psychophobia I guess. Tulpamancy to its core is more like a mix between daydreaming and home-made ego state therapy. A lot of people outside of the tulpa community are agressive towards tulpamancy and they make "straw men" against it, among them: tulpamancers "want to have DID" (no, they want to use the natural dissociative abilities of the brain in order to have fun or for personal development, moreover, tulpamancers show that tulpamancy has therapeutic effects on their anxiety disorders and helps manage strong emotions and cope with many other disorders) - they "are against DID people" (no, in fact a lot of traumatized and sometimes DID people are in the tulpamancy communities and are afraid of discovering they were traumatized so they just call their alters "tulpas" so that they can stay away from their own pain untill they are ready to face said pain) - tulpamancy is said to be "appropriating Buddhism" (wrong again, tulpas are not in Tibetan Buddhism, tulpamancy is in fact the opposite of Buddhism practices of Yidam, the word "tulpa" does not exist in sanskrit or in tibaitan, the whole tulpa thing is the theosophist thoughtform with a buddhist-like paintjob atop of it) source

I feel most of us are genuinely naive when it comes to understanding other people's beliefs and stuff and maybe because this relaisation came very late in many parts (seperately and at different times).

We genuinely do not understand why people find it offensive ...or intend to offend others beliefs...(maybe we are a 'little slow' for our age) ..for us it was a simple choice of logic..maybe thats just the autistic brain influencing all who front to varying degrees... We believe we 'split' many times in childhood to form the different persona's because 'Bobby' our core child ..(first more autistic in the body) struggled to process the outside world and social demands on them as they were growing up. This was the primary reason..fear of unpredictable sounds and changing routines, medical episodes etc ..(typical for a young autistic child) .. then of course our naivety and inexperience led to bullying, gaslighting and abuse from others (outside the immediate family) in school..so those alters shut down and more were created.. (we have had more teen alters than alters in any other age group).

Some suddenly became more spiritual and their beliefs have gone an entirely different way, they prefer the word Tulpa's not because we are or have ever been Buddhists and believe that's where it comes from, but because they are a creation of the mind that can not 'be real'. eg ...Phoenix ..we can not physically have a being within us that is capable of reincarnating as a Phoenix can...there's no way we would lived to the ripe of old age of 54! ..we'd have been a pile of ashes the first time they attempted it!! ... but yet not only can 'Bobby' (who we believe 'created' them in their mind...years ago!) see Phoenix ...we ALL can regardless of the form they take and whether we individually believe their existence within us is possible or not!

Same with Kate believing she is THE reincarnated spirit of our mum...regardless of whether we (as an individual part) believe its actually possible we can all see and interact with her as a system member! ..it defies logical explaination!

We have filmed ourselves switching and watched it back..each one watching saying 'thats not me' when the switch occurs ..'oh thats [insert name]..they switched out with me then'.

None of us (individually), see 'all of us' as 'different aspects of the same person' ..what other medical condition describes this phenonema???

Jay