SystemFlo wrote:A bit? You have all reasons to get as furious as anyone can get, but you're writing about it like you should resist getting angry. Why do you think you'd had to resist that?
A bit, yeah. It's still a shock, and a bit of a struggle to see past what I didn't know about- meaning until a few years ago, we were still blissfully ignorant of being a system despite our peculiarly close connection and relationship online to each other. Until that time I had NO IDEA that the bad stuff Angel talked about suffering was ANYTHING close to what I'd/We'd been through. It was someone else, their life... so to a degree, it is still hard to look past the others GOOD memories of childhood that I have and accept that bad stuff happened... really bad stuff even.
Also, anger isn't a very strong emotion for me- many of them aren't truthfully... I think that probably makes sense, having a sort of emotional blunting or less emotional expression/presence... So while I am hurt, VERY hurt, and even angry -it's not a rage... despite that that would be entirely understandable and justified. God is it ever justified...
IDK I am "resisting" the anger, but it's just not a natural inclination for me. Angel, on the other hand, is furious. He's always had anger towards those that hurt him, that facilitated it. Pixie, too, for the instance she was sexually hurt trying to protect us (with the foster kid a decade after the uncle that was mentioned hurting us above in the OP).
SystemFlo wrote:2 Ts had told us that at some point we do need to get angry to parents to get it out of the system. Dad, he can not deal at all with anything negative, but either totally denies it exists or gets angry, if can't escape like that. Even things like look at this thing here, in my hand. "No, it can not be like that." He's not gas lighting intentionally with that behavior, for his system it's choosing between can you just make it go away, or do you need a protector to force it go away. Which means if he gets cornered and you don't take No, he will get angry. But that is so obvious trauma behavior and I can see the little boy inside who's so scared and have no clue how to handle world, which is why he can not take care of himself. And if one can't take care of himself, how could he ever take care of a problem like an adult?
I don't disagree with those T's at all. The more I write about it, the more I'm coming to realize just how... IDK I can say lazy, and it's certainly not uncaring... but willfully ignorant or dismissive of the dangers, particularly with the uncle, they were... that ticks me off.
As you said, it's their job as parents to protect their children. They utterly FAILED to do that with me, and likely my brother. Hell, they didn't even just fail, they INVITED THE DISASTER by allowing a KNOWN pedophile and abuser into our home... and ALLOWED HIM to be alone with me as a toddler. What the hell did they think would happen?! That b/c he was married to my aunt (Mom's sister) and they had kids that it magically just stopped?!
I get it, too, Mom hadn't told Dad about that by this point... she was only a few years removed from that uncle (then the boyfriend) doing that to her and the younger sisters... she was a few years removed from her home life with an abusive family... She was scared, ashamed, and likely scared telling Dad would push him away- that is all reasonable and understandable... it's even explaining WHY she never said anything... but it DOES NOT mitigate the monumental screw up it was to let that monster in and to have access to us like she did... like they did.
SystemFlo wrote:We can see that and understand it. From a human point of view.
There's also personal point of view. They failed us.
Kind of what I was saying just now with my mom (and dad, too)... I get WHY it happened and the shame part... at least if that's WHY she didn't say anything before the monster was there. BUT that does not change- they failed us. There's NO two ways around it. Parents are supposed to protect kids, not bring dangers into the home and leave them with the kids. THAT was inviting disaster, which they then totally missed and didn't stop.
There were signs for us... throwing poop at the walls, lashing out... crying about the pain in the feet that NEVER happened before that, and that wasn't nearly so bad after that... These were red flags they missed, dismissed, ignored... whatever. I don't know their thought process at that time. I do know when, a decade later, I broke my ankle and she was asked if/when my feet had been broken she said she felt like an awful parent b/c she said they didn't realize WHY I had been crying about my feet hurting as a toddler. :/ So I guess they just missed the warning signs, misread the signals?!
Even if not intentional, they failed us... BIG time.
SystemFlo wrote:We told our mom there will probably come a time when we need to stop being in contact with her, to deal with OUR trauma, not always understand THEIRS. She understood it, she's never denied she failed, she's said she's sorry for thousand times, but I've told her not to. Why? Because you say sorry when you understand you did wrong and will change, but she can't change. She's saying that to be forgiven, and that sorry is for her to deal with her guilt, not to us to get validation. Actually by sorry she's asking validation for her guilt and that is our the problem from the beginning: it's still not about US, it's still just about HER. Like always. Then she's sorry about that, because she truly can not understand.
We have had time, mostly before I knew we were a system, where we had to cut my parents off for a time... twice I can think of that went beyond a month- once for close to 6 months. There's been times they've been emotionally difficult and outright hostile over things. She had picked a fight with Kaleb & Kitten, a few weeks later with Pixie... and got mad b/c I, who stayed out of it entirely, didn't "back her" (she was ENTIRELY in the wrong, too), and then furious when I didn't take her side (I didn't take any side) or apologize for "offending her". That led to her attacking ME... and all of that I considered emotionally abusive, controlling, etc. We didn't talk for 6 months. At all. There's been times I've had to do that with her particularly- but given my Dad's "You owe your mother" kind of attitude that SHE is always right, etc... him, too.
So when it comes to this trauma stuff. She DOESN'T understand. Dad's way of "handling it" is to deny it could have ever been possible. But then, he does that about the emotional abuse HE suffered growing up, and the emotional, physical, and sexual abuse Mom suffered, too. He likes to pretend it didn't exist. That it couldn't have.
When it comes to the uncle hurting us, their fighting, the foster sister hurting us... Yeah, he flat out denies it is even possible. Chooses to ignore the signs. I think a lot of that is subconscious guilt AND that he never truly resolved his OWN issues- so he can't understand or accept that it happened to his own kids. Mom did go through counseling for a while, but mostly for anorexia, the symptom not the trauma processing - and almost never with a clinical doctor... not the help she REALLY needed.
So, like your mom- I don't think mine can understand either. I don't think either of my parents can b/c they can't accept that what happened happened, not without massive guilt for realizing they LET IT happen- even if not willingly and knowingly. But the fact is THEY let the uncle in the home. THEY brought the foster kids in. THEY fought and HE drank... THEY were why we moved (dad was military) and that instability it caused... Even if none of this was intended to hurt us... it did. They'd have to accept that. I doubt they ever will.
SystemFlo wrote:We don't know how your parents are like as people, all people are more than their crimes. We only know the crime, they let a sex offender to be freely with their kid. There's no question if we are angry at them just based to that, and would never let them be alone with a child, because they have no ability to make safe decisions. It's more complicated to you, cause you know them as people and all good things. Good things don't take away what they did to you, just chose to not care enough if you'll be molested or not. It gets time to sink they really didn't care, because it hurts. You'd be happier with thinking their good sides. But it's not the reality. And I think at some point you do need to get angry, as angry as you can get.
Honestly, IDK _I_ know how my parents are as people anymore. The last few years shattered my sense of self, but it also ruined the image I had of my parents. That picking fights with some of us (then just seen as really close friends) and blaming me for it changed a lot of that, too. Their unwillingness to have little more than email/phone call contact b/c they didn't like that I married and stayed where I am now rather than moving where THEY moved... that hurt and caused a shift in my thinking of them.
Of course learning about these traumas and learning how we suffered, sometimes at their hands, has caused me to REALLY question things... and knowing they don't know b/c they refuse to see it... IDK I know who they are. Not really.
Getting angry is hard, b/c it's so confusing, and b/c I being apart from the trauma and unaware of it so long, developed almost dependent level attachments to them... talk about a sick irony, eh? A strong bond there that probably wouldn't have if I'd known all along... but it did... It is hard to be angry, but the more it sinks in, the less difficult that is. Maybe that's why, aside from here and our journal I don't talk about it a lot. I try NOT to think about it too much. It sucks. It hurts. It IS angering.
I am working on accepting it, processing it... I hope that this gets Angel and I closer, so we can work on getting more aware of each other, more present together, and so we can both work these things out. Angel is, as I said before, VERY angry about what he suffered. He surprised the doc one week in the office... "You seem a bit upset about that." Doc said, noting the angry tone. "Why the f--k shouldn't I be?!" Angel snapped. "They ######6 hurt me- bad!"
It surprised doc b/c of the emotional response, something NOT common from me- he wasn't expecting such a raw response. Go figure- that's DID in a nutshell, right?!
SystemFlo wrote:We've realized, that it does more harm than good to try to sort things out with people who were part of your trauma. You will never get full validation from there, if they'd be able to, it wouldn't have happened. They failed you and fighting with them or trying to explain to them doesn't change it, it hurts you further. It's something you need to understand by yourself and feel yourself and then, afterwards, decide whether you want them to your life or not, knowing it can never be changed. It kind of means you start a relationship all the way from beginning, but this time as a different person yourself.
Don't stop yourself from feeling. I'm sorry what was done to you all, and that there was nobody to care enough and how it hurts to realize it. But you survived then, and you'll survive from getting angry and fully realizing their part now, or when you're ready to that, as well. Just let it out. Maybe let them know beforehand like we did, if it makes it easier. If they wanna explain their side of the story, it's about them dealing with their guilt, just like it is if they try to tell you they didn't do anything wrong. You are totally allowed to make it all about you, not them, to heal.
You own more to Angel that to your parents.
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You're right, I DO owe more to Angel- A TON. To all of our system. We need to stand and fight for each other, and we're working on that. That is why I am working so much to make sense of this, to accept this happened to us, to come to terms with the hurt, the anger, the shock that our parents totally failed us... and did so, at least in part, by choice. They CHOSE to bring the molester into the house, they CHOSE to drink (dad) and cause those fights, they CHOSE to move us (b/c of Dad's job), they CHOSE to put such extreme pressure for "excellence" and "perfection" on us, they CHOSE to bring those foster kids in and caused one to harm us again, they CHOSE to basically be separated a year (Dad) and to starve nearly to death instead of comforting us (mom)... THEIR actions caused all our traumas. Nothing WE did initiated or caused it. We just endured and survived it best we could- and only b/c of ALL of us being present could we...
So yeah, I don't owe my parents a damn thing! I owe the rest of our system EVERYTHING.
I guess I have a bit more anger than I realized. I'm almost in tears and was hitting my keys a little too hard typing that closing...