Labels for parts? Good idea?

I know there are ascribed roles. I or someone read it once. Yesterday or the day before - it was the night before last. The ex upset Beth, also an Internet perv but the ex said some stuff. We got it off our chest and are still friends with him. Anyway I thought "No-one and Batcho" are protectors.

Others in the system don't like these roles so I wondered if it's useful or not?

I'm gonna try to work out the roles here while I am thinking about it but I would like to know who finds this useful so ignore the next bit but please express how helpful you have found using the idea of roles in your system, thanks in advance. Sarah

No-one - protector, silent, more freeze than fight or flight
Paul - protector, was internal persecutor, fight

Beth - anp but with anxiety, mood change and agoraphobia (bipolar)
Karen - anp had bpd systems but due to therapy they have lesseded significantly.
Sarah - I think I'm an anp and I could not say if I have any systmtoms of something because its hard too look at yourself in that way. I will say I pretended to be called Lilly for a while and said there's more parts called Sarah because I didn't like the ex bf being so nosey. I guess that's a flight response of sorts.
Rose - anp
Patrick - anp protector for Rose (Rose doesn't argue, she gets Pat)
Mandy - anp. Some say she's 5. I say she's Amanda, age 21 being 5 because she likes to and prefers it. Which is OK but don't say you're 5. Or do I guess, do what you like. She was kept internal for years in one room so either way I guess she's mentally not as developed. But still an anp I think, I'd need to read more because she could be something else. She doesn't age slide, she comes across as 5 but I see her as 21. Others see her as 5 or allow her I'm not sure. Or she is 5 - I conceded, fine.

The Twins - gate keepers
The overlord - gate keeper

The Me's — hosts or back ground entity. We did try naming them, Obsidian etc and then we tried labels of daily host or looking at system host. But we can't tell them apart and they struggle too so we gave up and call them what they say if you ask them, they say I'm me. So the Me's. Like there's probably a Me with me now but I dunno which one. I'm doing washing and typing. They could be record keepers so hang in background I guess.

There's also constructs. Internal world constructs that fill the internal world and there's fragments.

Mouse - who holds trauma and looks after fragments.

There's constructs the twins and the overlord use to interact so they avoid directly influencing parts but that only happened 12 years ago when they decided they were bad influences. Batcho is OK on these meds but it's playing havoc with Beth because of agitation side effect.

I hope I remembered everyone or there will be riots.


Sarah

wow posts like this make me wonder if there's more inside us! Like maybe we're attributing something to a known alter that isn't actually them but because we only know of a few and the behaviour fits them best, it must be them?

or maybe we really do only have a very small system because parts vanish if not needed anymore?

As someone very logical with an autistic brain it's been a real challenge trying to get my head round the concept. A part is constantly searching for the logic of the situation and how it could be possible!

Kit

We've found that labels and categories are only a good idea when they help clarify what's going on and don't hinder progress or upset anyone. We've tried all sorts of labels and really wanted them to work, especially as we learned we had more and more alters, currently 78. Most labels have ended up oversimplifying descriptions for us and have definitely masked the more complex nature and role of several alters among us so we now see them as more limiting for us than helpful.

Labels and categories probably helped at first to make some sense of who we were meeting. But ultimately they misled us. We wasted time as we made and held on to certain assumptions that weren't accurate or the whole story. We do still use "host" but even that has moved toward "host-like alter" at least when thinking about our system with each other. In posts here we'll use some labels as a shortcut when explaining something.

Thank you both. Will reply longer when can.

We share the previously shared points of view. We see labels the way cats see boxes: comfortable when chosen by oneself, unbearable when forced upon us by others.

oOo van H. oOo

KitMcDaydream wrote:wow posts like this make me wonder if there's more inside us! Like maybe we're attributing something to a known alter that isn't actually them but because we only know of a few and the behaviour fits them best, it must be them?

or maybe we really do only have a very small system because parts vanish if not needed anymore?

As someone very logical with an autistic brain it's been a real challenge trying to get my head round the concept. A part is constantly searching for the logic of the situation and how it could be possible!

Kit

Ours seem to go and come back so it's possible.

-- Mon Jun 08, 2020 7:45 pm --

Johnny-Jack wrote:We've found that labels and categories are only a good idea when they help clarify what's going on and don't hinder progress or upset anyone. We've tried all sorts of labels and really wanted them to work, especially as we learned we had more and more alters, currently 78. Most labels have ended up oversimplifying descriptions for us and have definitely masked the more complex nature and role of several alters among us so we now see them as more limiting for us than helpful.

Labels and categories probably helped at first to make some sense of who we were meeting. But ultimately they misled us. We wasted time as we made and held on to certain assumptions that weren't accurate or the whole story. We do still use "host" but even that has moved toward "host-like alter" at least when thinking about our system with each other. In posts here we'll use some labels as a shortcut when explaining something.

You're right it's good for a short cut but doesn't explain everything. Thanks.

-- Mon Jun 08, 2020 7:46 pm --

ArbreMonde wrote:We share the previously shared points of view. We see labels the way cats see boxes: comfortable when chosen by oneself, unbearable when forced upon us by others.

oOo van H. oOo

This is true, thank you.