Monitoring the body at night? *TW*

I thought I'd write this here because it applies to this. I threw the bf out. I thought "now I have the issue of worrying about if I'm doing anything at night" someone replied "that is not an issue" I said "that's not an issue?" Back and then a second person said "ten out of ten"

On the other hand I had a bad night, thought I woke at 3.30am but the bf said I'd been awake the whole time and played me a recording. So obviously if I switch and am up at night I switch back so I'd probably know. Still the "chatter" as Rive calls it, was dark sounding. "That's not a issue" in a dark sounding male voice I didn't recognise and then the "ten out of ten" was more cheerful, less dark. So I don't know whether to be more or less worried about it. Like it's not an issue because they don't wake up at night or it's not an issue because now they can? I don't know.

Maybe I should get this fit bit.. what one is it? Although I don't think I'm walking around, I'm concerned I go online. It's like two steps, not even because I can literally roll to it, to my computer - I'll put it elsewhere then I'll have to walk to it. Lapis Lazuli. Beth said she could roll to it, which concerns me more because I think she's involved if there is online stuff I don't know about. If they were just chatting to people it wouldn't bother me so much, Mandy and Karen used to do that and I only found out because they would give out my phone number to guys they would chat to and they'd say "Hi Karen it's..." And I'd say I'm not Karen and get into a discussion over how I'm not Karen, they must have the wrong number, but then I worked out what was going on, didn't over react and Karen and Mandy were more open about it, Mandy had a guy reading her stories every night for 2 yesrs. But this is different, the twins and Beth are into online activism. I say to myself they would be caught by now but it doesn't make me feel better because they might not.

I dunno if you remember "MoMo" - that was awful, some kind of internet terrorism campaign to make parents more careful about what their children watcged. It frightened my youngest and Beth said "don't worry we'll get rid of MoMo" and I remember her starting to think about how to divert traffic, take sites down, debug, how to undo what the MoMo people had done and then there was no more MoMo so it's not necessarily they do "bad" stuff. Like it's mostly Wiki leaks and Anonymous protests they would make me read about during the day and get excited about. I had to read every Klu Klux Klan member when anonymous released their names - I don't know why but they wanted to look over all the names. It's that it's illegal that it bothers me and I, as a whole person in this body, could get in trouble. Maybe they just like reading about it and worrying me that their involved. Lapis Lazuli

Hi Sarandipity,

Sorry you had to throw out your bf. I hope you stay safe. If he has access to your home, you might want to change the locks or something. Check the windows and that sort of thing.

They tell me the fitbit they got was the "Inspire HR" and the "HR" bit is important. It uses movement + heart rate to deduce your sleep state and stuff like that. I do not know if it would register you as being 'awake' if you were able to work the computer from bed, but it should detect getting up and taking a few steps.

I'd suggest you do a bit of research though and find what works best for you. This one works through most (but not all) smartphones and tablets. It does have to be 'tied' to a device, it won't work just on its own.

Good luck.

V1

Amythyst wrote:Hi Sarandipity,

Sorry you had to throw out your bf. I hope you stay safe. If he has access to your home, you might want to change the locks or something. Check the windows and that sort of thing.

They tell me the fitbit they got was the "Inspire HR" and the "HR" bit is important. It uses movement + heart rate to deduce your sleep state and stuff like that. I do not know if it would register you as being 'awake' if you were able to work the computer from bed, but it should detect getting up and taking a few steps.

I'd suggest you do a bit of research though and find what works best for you. This one works through most (but not all) smartphones and tablets. It does have to be 'tied' to a device, it won't work just on its own.

Good luck.

V1

Thanks V1. I will look but I'm already getting "chatter" that they won't have anything that goes through this phone. They're really funny about phones. My old phone that I had for 8 years was not as it was when I bought it. All programs were deleted or changed. It was never connected to WiFi and when I accidentally did connect it to WiFi once after 8 years it rebooted and they smashed it within a week, threw it in an outside bin and bought a new one. They didn't like the OS on the new one so I have a different phone now even. Really really fussy about phones and I know literally nothing. They're saying the "rebooted" and OS bits. This phone is apparently open and vulnerable enough without connecting added devices. Even though they leave it constantly to connect to any device in proximity - which they don't usually do that, usually that's always switched off so I dunno but they won't go for that at all. Now they're thinking about possible ways to make a Fitbit look like a person is asleep when they're not - I can't hear them but they thought hang on we could use that - and they always tend to think of ways around stuff than using it normally. I'll look into it still, maybe it's a feasible idea.

How's it going with yours? Has it reassured you or shown you've got up? Lapis Lazuli

Sarandipity wrote:How's it going with yours? Has it reassured you or shown you've got up? Lapis Lazuli

We only have 3 nights of data so far. It has shown a couple brief moments of being awake, which I think are trips to the washroom. No mysteriously high step-count overnight or anything like that.

The most interesting thing this morning, is seeing how radically different my sleep pattern is from Viola's. I don't mean like when we go to bed / when we wake up, but how much time spent in deep sleep, light sleep, and REM sleep, and how we shift back and forth from those different kinds of sleep.

We have 2 nights' data for Viola and only 1 night for me so far, so its too early to know if its a pattern, but there is a very stark contrast in them. Viola's 2 nights look quite similar, mine is completely different.

Re. our safety concerns, I agree with Mike that its highly unlikely we're actually doing this stuff in the present. Though that might be wishful thinking. I do 'hope' that its nothing but some coincidences, but realize it could also be old trauma memories coming out.

V1

Hey, so we've been like tracking our sleep every night since this stuff came up? Like wearing the fitbit thing, and every morning we look at the app on our phone and it shows the sleep info from the night before.

I think its been about 4 weeks now, and its been fine that whole time. Till this morning, we finally got an 'anomaly' on the data.

I know I went to bed last night around 00.30. But the sleep tracker shows we were up till 02.00. So there's like, 90 minutes we can't account for?

The step counter doesn't show too much activity tho. It shows like 75 steps, so that's not enough to like go anywhere. Maybe just walking around the house.

Viola

Amythyst wrote:Hey, so we've been like tracking our sleep every night since this stuff came up? Like wearing the fitbit thing, and every morning we look at the app on our phone and it shows the sleep info from the night before.

I think its been about 4 weeks now, and its been fine that whole time. Till this morning, we finally got an 'anomaly' on the data.

I know I went to bed last night around 00.30. But the sleep tracker shows we were up till 02.00. So there's like, 90 minutes we can't account for?

The step counter doesn't show too much activity tho. It shows like 75 steps, so that's not enough to like go anywhere. Maybe just walking around the house.

Viola

I was about to say "that's great news" and then read the anomoly part so not so great but at least it's most likely you were indoors.

Reading what you're writing it definitely sounds like a great idea for me too because most of my fears are what's happening at night. I did loose two hours yesterday but I'm pretty sure I didn't leave the kitchen. It's the night that I'm worried about too and if it's monitoring sleep patterns that's definitely interesting and sounds worth while.

What you're doing for yourself is definitely worthwhile. If anything was going on you didn't know about then at the very least it'd make that alter less likely to do anything.

Much Luck

This may be too simple, but would hiding the shoes work? Hide them, or put them in a very specific place and position. That way, if they're moved in the morning, you know something happened.
-Leana, 1 person, female

Thanks Leana,

Hiding shoes wouldn't work for us. Most of our sort of 'daily functional knowledge' is shared between everyone. It has to be because we don't have one consistent 'host' person.

We already keep our shoes in a specific place, but doing that as a 'test' might not work either with a 'stealth' alter, because they tend to be careful to put things back perfectly to hide their existence & activities.

I think the best solution is always to work on communications, to find out why they're doing stuff and work with them to find better options or that sort of thing.

For us, we still don't have hard proof of anything anyways. I think this anomoly was a software glitch - or maybe we had restless sleep at first and the fitbit misinterpreted that as being awake. If it had been a couple hundred steps in 90 minutes, then I'd be convinced.

V1

Found another 'anomaly' in our sleep tracking last night. Almost 2 hours missing this time.

It's same as the earlier one tho - where the 'missing sleep' happened at the start of the night. Basically, went to bed around 21.00 (and to my mind, we were asleep really quick) but the sleep tracking shows we were awake till 23.00. And same as last time, there's no noticable difference in the step-count.

So we're thinking now, that it's not really a sleep thing, but its a software thing? Like the fitbit is maybe thinking we're awake when we're really asleep.

Or if someone is active at that time, they're not doing much? Like maybe just surfing the web or reading or something.

Viola

..or maybe trying to sleep?

I don't have money for sleep tracking device, but we talked about it with T because of my sleeping when I sit on the couch thing. We'd wanna know when I actually sleep (sometimes I have, I know because my head can be anywhere and it takes time to be able to lift it up because of the pain in the neck after being like that for too long. But on the other hand I have proof about me sleeping while someone else fed the doggy.

I think sometimes at night times when I'm awake, someone else is sleeping, or I am closer to sleeping than I know, because I can read and do stuff normally and not feel tired (but that's a problem I have, I rarely feel tired although I would be about to sleep), but if I close my eyes, I see dream like pictures and feel dream like thoughts that don't make sense any other way than it is actually brains partly sleeping. I know I don't fell in sleep when I close my eyes and experience this, I feel it when I'm awake.

In DID parts can sleep different times and maybe devices don't know how to measure part of brains in sleep?

Could you ask someone non DID test the device for you? Then you get to know if it's software thing, I know that those new kind of rings that measure sleep didn't do too well in tests, they thought someone was sleeping if they didn't move a lot for awhile (like watching movie etc.) and I guess it could be the other way round too.