Vacation and Packing Advice

This is for Chloe from our littles:

Hi Chloe, we're sorry that you had a bad dream that made you upset and then didn't have your pony there to help you. And we're really sorry that you got yelled at for being upset. I hope you got to pick out another stuffie today to help you on the trip. Our littlest Little wanted to tell you that one time we left our two special little stuffies somewhere and couldn't get them back for a week, so we bought a little bear to have with us until then, and now he's together with the other two all the time, and they sleep with us. Also we hope you get to go on some of the rides if you like them.

I... kinda saw that coming. I'm very sorry for Chloe. I wish I could say something like "I cannot believe how insensitive the wife is" but from life experience, I sadly do.

Still, I'm sending a lot of moral support to Chloe. And a Pinkie Pie song.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQKaAlMNvm8

~Theia~

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I know I am coming a bit late on the subject, but regarding the "man wearing dress"; if it was a sexual fantasy, monks and priests would not wear one. Neither would fierce Scott warriors wear skirts. Be fierce. Wear whatever clothes you want.

-X-

I wish I could magically send you one of my ponies or a tiger or a bear or any other cuddly friend I have.

You're in Disney.. it's a magical place.. there's loads of cuddly friends to choose from praying/wishing you find a great one.

Zors wife is a nasty lady. If a nasty lady did that to me I would bite her.

Are there any other children in the house? If you tell them you have nightmares maybe they will let you borrow a toy. I got to borrow some pencils once when I was at the doctors cos I wet the bed they didn't shout for wetting the bed they just gave me new pj's they were made of paper so I coloured them in with the pencils!

- peter

Chloe, next time you wake up and that nasty lady is hurting you walk out the room and phone the police. She is not allowed to hurt you like that.


Zor you need to support chloe. Your wife lied to you and if you don't help chloe she is going to develop feelings of abandonment (you abandoning her). If you do noting else, if you are so scared of your wife that you can't go against her direct order not to have a toy in the room get chloe something small she can hide under the pillow. Pompom animals are cheep and easy to hide.

https://www.amazon.com/Kanggest-Colorfu ... =8-1-fkmr0

If you dont do something to show chloe you care for her she is going to start doubting you.

and Zor read this https://www.decision-making-confidence. ... -wife.html

Bottom line (and this is word for word what our T said to grace) " If your spouse doesn't embrace you, all of you, and you don't leave, then anyone that is not you will face the same abuse you face. You don't feel it because you have been programmed not to feel it. They will feel it."

- Mo

Sarandipity wrote:I wish I could magically send you one of my ponies or a tiger or a bear or any other cuddly friend I have.

You're in Disney.. it's a magical place.. there's loads of cuddly friends to choose from praying/wishing you find a great one.

So like for real we looked at “World of Disney” IN Disney Springs (the shopping area place)… the only Tigger that they had was a baby toy! No full-sized tigger.
And nothing quite appealed to Chloe that we could tell.

We are on the way home just one final night left… then we can sleep better

{\Pixie/}

-- Fri Sep 20, 2019 4:26 pm --

MeMyselfMaureen wrote:Zors wife is a nasty lady. If a nasty lady did that to me I would bite her.

Are there any other children in the house? If you tell them you have nightmares maybe they will let you borrow a toy. I got to borrow some pencils once when I was at the doctors cos I wet the bed they didn't shout for wetting the bed they just gave me new pj's they were made of paper so I coloured them in with the pencils!

- peter

Chloe, next time you wake up and that nasty lady is hurting you walk out the room and phone the police. She is not allowed to hurt you like that.


Zor you need to support chloe. Your wife lied to you and if you don't help chloe she is going to develop feelings of abandonment (you abandoning her). If you do noting else, if you are so scared of your wife that you can't go against her direct order not to have a toy in the room get chloe something small she can hide under the pillow. Pompom animals are cheep and easy to hide.

https://www.amazon.com/Kanggest-Colorfu ... =8-1-fkmr0

If you dont do something to show chloe you care for her she is going to start doubting you.

and Zor read this https://www.decision-making-confidence. ... -wife.html

Bottom line (and this is word for word what our T said to grace) " If your spouse doesn't embrace you, all of you, and you don't leave, then anyone that is not you will face the same abuse you face. You don't feel it because you have been programmed not to feel it. They will feel it."

- Mo

Thanks guys- i’ll Totally make sure Zor sees this later tonight or after we are home tomorrow.

{\Pixie/}

-- Fri Sep 20, 2019 4:27 pm --

MeMyselfMaureen wrote:Zors wife is a nasty lady. If a nasty lady did that to me I would bite her.

Are there any other children in the house? If you tell them you have nightmares maybe they will let you borrow a toy. I got to borrow some pencils once when I was at the doctors cos I wet the bed they didn't shout for wetting the bed they just gave me new pj's they were made of paper so I coloured them in with the pencils!

- peter

Chloe, next time you wake up and that nasty lady is hurting you walk out the room and phone the police. She is not allowed to hurt you like that.


Zor you need to support chloe. Your wife lied to you and if you don't help chloe she is going to develop feelings of abandonment (you abandoning her). If you do noting else, if you are so scared of your wife that you can't go against her direct order not to have a toy in the room get chloe something small she can hide under the pillow. Pompom animals are cheep and easy to hide.

https://www.amazon.com/Kanggest-Colorfu ... =8-1-fkmr0

If you dont do something to show chloe you care for her she is going to start doubting you.

and Zor read this https://www.decision-making-confidence. ... -wife.html

Bottom line (and this is word for word what our T said to grace) " If your spouse doesn't embrace you, all of you, and you don't leave, then anyone that is not you will face the same abuse you face. You don't feel it because you have been programmed not to feel it. They will feel it."

- Mo

Thanks guys- i’ll Totally make sure Zor sees this later tonight or after we are home tomorrow.

{\Pixie/}

I'm glad you posted. I was thinking about you guys yesterday and that you hadn't posted for a few days, and I was hoping the vacation was going ok. I'm glad you'll be home tomorrow and Chloe can have her pony back.

TheGangsAllHere wrote:I'm glad you posted. I was thinking about you guys yesterday and that you hadn't posted for a few days, and I was hoping the vacation was going ok. I'm glad you'll be home tomorrow and Chloe can have her pony back.

Been a few late nights and early mornings and busy days between… will post more at home

{\Pixie/}

It will be nice to be home again, but I hope you also had a nice trip and enjoyed the things you did.
Hope everything settles quickly.
My vacation starts on monday with a 12 hour plane flight im not afraid of flying but do have the fear of "being stuck" and "cant getting away" so it will be a challenge.
Also very excited to go! Caribean here I Come

Allcoulors wrote:It will be nice to be home again, but I hope you also had a nice trip and enjoyed the things you did.
Hope everything settles quickly.
My vacation starts on monday with a 12 hour plane flight im not afraid of flying but do have the fear of "being stuck" and "cant getting away" so it will be a challenge.
Also very excited to go! Caribean here I Come

Well, we're home and hopefully things will be more like normal. Wife is off all this week so we'll see... I am sure that will mean more "covert" time out for others than when she's working and sleeping all day... but, regardless it will mean more time for me (for all of us) on the forums here, and doing other things we love to do...

Have a great time. We went to Cancun back in 2003/4 (I forget which) and the Caribbean is GORGEOUS! Have a great vacation!

Back home (should I make a new thread for "Post vacation" stuff or keep it here so I (and others) can look back more easily- I'm leaning towards here (obviously))...

Learned a few things on this trip.

First and foremost, I NEED to be more forward and assertive (both very hard for me) about being more accommodating for the others... Pixie and I both noted in our journal this week (even with far less time to write than when we're home) that the sleep trouble that plagued us ALL WEEK (literally last night, first night at home, was the first good night's sleep in just over a week, EIGHT STRAIGHT days of crappy sleep) could have been at least partially avoided. I think the term we both used was "self-inflicted". The sleep problem was a self-inflicted wound.

Second, Not sleeping well SERIOUSLY impacts our stability. I try and keep a record of "time lost" (when others are out, largely since we're not co-con at all when they are and I have NO IDEA what is happening or has happened when I am back out)... and I noted that every day it got more erratic. Less 30-45 mins or longer periods of others out, and more 15 mins periods... more "foggy headed" times where I was out but so much was going on externally AND internally that it was hard to keep concentrated, feeling "real", or like the park and crowds were somehow real and not a "dream like" state... The time out for others became more frequent, and "close" times where others could be felt or heard (generally adding more confusion and difficulty paying attention and stuff) ALSO increased the less we slept. In short, the lesson is: GOOD SLEEP IS CRITICAL!

Lastly, it is VERY VERY HARD to live on a routine at home during a normal week, then suddenly have that ripped away... and somehow maintain a sense of control and stability. That, too, made it hard for us. During the week the sister in-law and her husband fought (began BEFORE we left), ditched the kids a TON, on us (my wife and I)... and sister in-law's friend was there, exacerbating the trouble between sis in-law and her husband... That entire triangle is toxic... ESPECIALLY the two women together... they feed each other's drama and bitterness towards their mutual husbands- NOT good.

All in all, though, it WAS fun... Universal is AMAZING. The "Wizarding World" part SEVERAL of us (internally) LOVED- and it's truly amazing... if you get a chance, GO! We rode many rides around the park several times, though most I only REALLY remember once or twice, some times even that is "fuzzy"- so it's very clear that others got a chance to slip out and have some fun, too- something I am VERY happy about.

It is good to be home though, and now with our computer available we can post here more often and more fully again (it is nice to be able to do these forums on a mobile browser, but it's VERY hard- which is why Pixie gave up on trying to use her color on her posts when on the phone).