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Re: No difference

Postby TheGangsAllHere » Mon Jul 15, 2019 8:28 pm

If you have only one, then it’s DID, because that is the one that you clearly have. Maybe you have some parts with other disorders, idk. But until you can accept that you have DID, maybe you should stop posting here, since this is a place for people who have DID/OSDD, or who are exploring that possibility. Not for people who are constantly trying to prove they don’t have it while posting all the evidence that they do.

Even though I’ve hidden your posts for weeks, I still click on them, and it isn’t healthy for me, so I’m done with that. I’m sorry you’re struggling, but I can’t help you anymore. Don’t PM me either please.
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Re: No difference

Postby Rive » Mon Jul 15, 2019 9:23 pm

That's what I meant by taking a break. This diagnosis didnt fit me in the early 2000s and it doesnt fit me now.
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Re: No difference

Postby Allcoulors » Mon Jul 15, 2019 9:30 pm

Oké, so you made the decision that it doesnt fit you congratulations and good bye then. I hope you find something where you feel you will fit in, but I doubt that, since you doubt everything. Im going to stop replying also for reasons already mentioned here. Wishing you well in life.
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Re: No difference

Postby myce » Tue Jul 16, 2019 12:30 am

Dnester, whatever your beliefs about your condition, your writing shows the effects of disorganized attachment. You're reaching out and interacting with people on a DID forum, but at the same time pushing people away although I don't think you mean to. That is contradictory behavior. It is characteristic of disorganized attachment. And what you have said about your relationship with your mother is traumatic enough to shatter your spirit and damage your brain. You have some serious issues because of it whether you have DID, schizophrenia or something else. When you are ready to work on your healing, here are a couple of links I hope can be helpful:

This article explains what disorganized attachment is, but there is no article than can convey the chaos it causes internally. https://www.psychalive.org/disorganized-attachment/

I also suggest you look into the theory of Structural Dissociation which has helped me understand what is happening. This is a tedious tome and I haven't even read all of it, but it's very good. https://www.amazon.com/Haunted-Self-Dissociation-Traumatization-Interpersonal/dp/0393704017
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Re: No difference

Postby Johnny-Jack » Tue Jul 16, 2019 1:33 am

Dnester wrote:All I am trying to say is right now I reject DID.

If you really think that, why aren't you actively engaging on the schizophrenia forum? Or on both? I'm not saying go do that. But I think it's a reasonable question. The statements you made from an incomplete and non-professional assessment of user comments on Reddit were not phrased as just your reality, they read like an argument. About what's true about DID and schizophrenia. Your subject line itself reads "no difference."

I think it's clear to most people who've read many of your comments on whether you have DID that you're kind of stuck in a loop and are looking for a way out. But someone coming here for the very first time reading that post could be very misled and upset. Whatever reads as erroneous statements -- and that did to me too -- needs to be called out.

You bring up other points as evidence, about child alters, what alters should or shouldn't be talking about. I don't know where you're getting your impressions about what proves or is characteristic of DID or not.

I'm sympathetic with your frustration. It's abundant and very human. I have no doubt you'll gain greater clarity and understanding about what's happening over time, if you keep working at it. Other posters want to help you but you'll get called out if you present subjective worries in a way that read as facts or norms about DID, even if you that's not your intention.

Ultimately the validity of your diagnosis has to be worked out with a professional, your T or another one. There's a reason we say that no one should seek a diagnosis here and members shouldn't offer one.
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Re: No difference

Postby SystemFlo » Tue Jul 16, 2019 6:26 pm

Chatter IS NOT your main symptom. It has never been, it will never be. The main symptoms are the ones you simply decide to ignore. That is not how diagnoses are made, that you ignore the actually meaningful symptoms, because you just feel like it. It's just ridiculous and chatter will not become your main symptom even when you refuse to see everything else you have. You are not someone who can diagnose, so you can not just decide what counts. Your inner truth is not based in the reality.

If you choose to live your life without ever having help, but continuing it the way it has always been, I could say it's your problem. Go ahead, ignore the reality and be unhappy. But I won't say that, because its not just your problem. You have parts that are harmful to others, and I think it's very selfish to not take the help people are giving you to make it stop. However, there's nothing I can do about it, so you can go and pretend it doesn't happen.
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Re: No difference

Postby Zor » Tue Jul 16, 2019 6:44 pm

Floralie wrote: Your inner truth is not based in the reality.

^ this...
Floralie wrote: However, there's nothing I can do about it, so you can go and pretend it doesn't happen.

^ and this...

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Re: No difference

Postby Johnny-Jack » Tue Jul 16, 2019 9:09 pm

Generally, no comment about Dnester's diagnosis, it's possible that someone who has been misdiagnosed as having DID will come here looking for answers. In that case, it would be the original misdiagnosis that created the challenges, not anyone's help here. Given the fact that occasional doubts or denial are just about universal for people with DID, we should assume posters who have been diagnosed by a professional with DID do have it. I think I've seen a convincing case of misdiagnosis of DID from a poster here once on this board. As we know, the other way around is way more common, someone being diagnosed with something else when they have DID.
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Re: No difference

Postby Rive » Fri Jul 19, 2019 8:53 pm

Took a break for a couple of days. I bounce between three forums. It did me good. I dont need to post everything I think it's not helping. I have been doing my therapy homework. To answer some of your questions. I am on a schizophrenia forum. I just dont use the one here because it is not that active. They describe alot of the same chatter and that is why I am confused. There is dissociation (switching) and there are voices (chatter) in DID. If I hardly ever switch how is the chatter not my main symptom? I wasn't trying to insult anyone or say that you guys experiences didnt matter. I was just saying for me it is impossible to know the difference. If I think I want a steak and cheese and I really dont. How do I know that maybe sub consciously I do. Or thinking about having a son named Gon-too that had AIDS how do I know thats not a delusion? Then when I go in and ask what he was they say a sim-bot. I'm breaking from reality. Or how go to sleep Timmy or come sit because me. How in the world could I possibly know what comes from where? Psychologists can misdiagnose or be so stuck on a diagnosis that the refuse to see there may be another one as well. I dont trust doctors. Also, yes I do doubt everything I always have and that is part of my OCD which also plays a big part of not knowing what comes from where and needing to know. I have had OCD since I was 8 and got diagnosed by 3 doctors in the hospital for it when I was 19. So I have OCD, been diagnosed DID and suspected schizophrenia. How can I be sane when I have no clue whats coming from where? Then on top of all of this my Psychologist has told me that a alter of mine is a narcissist. So know I have varying mental illnesses and alters with varying mental illnesses. This is why I take naps during the day. To escape.
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Re: No difference

Postby myce » Sat Jul 20, 2019 12:48 am

Dnester it's good you're browsing different forums. You have some things in common with almost everyone on this forum. One is that you're experiencing the effects of early/chronic trauma. By definition trauma changes the way your mind works. It is a creative process that saved us at one time, but we live with the effects now. People on this forum experienced painful and debilitating confusion and chaos like what you're experiencing. Some have been misdiagnosed before, maybe several times. But the experience of dissociation is different for everyone, and there is a lot of variation in the way people experience alters and switching.

Not everyone switches, or you might switch and not notice. That's common. About Gon-too being a sim-bot, I am not familiar with the term sim-bot so I searched it. I found that it has to do with gaming. In The Sims there are SimBots which are robots in the game. World of Warcraft has Simbot which I guess is a program players use to modify their characters. Also called Raidbots. There is also SIMbot, "a dynamically-stable mobile robot designed to balance on a single spherical wheel."

So it seems to me that a sim-bot is a script that exists in a virtual world like a game. On this forum we don't call it a delusion or that you're breaking from reality. Instead we say that is a part of your inner world. Do you start to see how dream logic works? Your mind created this unconsciously to help you survive unbearable circumstances.

Try to just experience what you're experiencing and stop trying to define it. The dream-mind might resist being defined on your terms and it causes more confusion. Denial of what you are experiencing is normal. It doesn't matter if it's "real" or not because it's a virtual reality you made, as your alter seems to have suggested.

As you work on your healing you might feel that you're getting worse. That is normal. It is important to take it slowly and take nap when you're overwhelmed. Take a nap not just to escape, but to regenerate your energy after working on healing because it's hard work. But as you practice simply being mindful of what you are experiencing, it gets better over time.
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