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I do believe 100% you have attachment trauma. As well as other trauma (SA), if that didn't happen at home, when it is both attachment and sexual trauma. Whether they are actual diagnoses or the cause of trauma disorder is different question.

If you are willing to accept the fact your mind is in pieces when it is called attachment trauma, then call it that. To me there is no difference. How I understand it, is that you can name traumas, and they are real things, they change the way you are. But having trauma does not tell what symptoms you have. That is why there are diagnoses for traumatized people, which define how trauma affected them, and which symptoms it caused. Now you need a long list of things, that defines the origin of the trauma, and separately almost all symptoms. To me putting that under one name that covers it all makes more sense. If you wanna keep your list, then do. As long as you don't fight the fact that there are parts of you who didn't grow up. Which means there are littles living inside you, with their separate feelings from the adult you. Which is the same thing than having parts.

There is no other difference than telling it way more complex ways with so many different diagnoses, when one would include all. If that makes that big difference to you, although practically there is no difference, then use your long list. What matters is to heal those traumas and help the parts of you who couldn't grow up, and other parts there are, including you.

Dnester wrote:My therapist told me. I have all those symptoms because I have an attachment disorder. She said when someone has alot of symptoms from other disorders its because of attachment issues. As far as toys alot of adults collect toys like action figures etc

Yes--DID/OSDD is at heart an attachment disorder, because babies/children need a secure attachment to a caregiver to be able to learn to regulate their emotions and process traumas. A lot happens that is not even out of the "ordinary" that is traumatic to small children and causes overwhelming emotions. If there is no one there to appropriately comfort them and help them manage the emotions, there is no alternative but to dissociate. It's a survival mechanism.

A lot of the work of therapy for a dissociative disorder is learning how to repair those attachment difficulties--they exist both with outside people, and internally--we don't have a secure attachment to parts of ourselves and need to learn how to be there for each other internally as well. This can be modeled by learning how to attach to a T--to trust someone to listen to you, comfort you, and help you to process overwhelming feelings.

Im so confused. You can have an attachment disorder and not be DID right?

Also why is the chatter not the main evidence? I mean what other disorders would mention names in thoughts?

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Floralie wrote:I do believe 100% you have attachment trauma. As well as other trauma (SA), if that didn't happen at home, when it is both attachment and sexual trauma. Whether they are actual diagnoses or the cause of trauma disorder is different question.

If you are willing to accept the fact your mind is in pieces when it is called attachment trauma, then call it that. To me there is no difference. How I understand it, is that you can name traumas, and they are real things, they change the way you are. But having trauma does not tell what symptoms you have. That is why there are diagnoses for traumatized people, which define how trauma affected them, and which symptoms it caused. Now you need a long list of things, that defines the origin of the trauma, and separately almost all symptoms. To me putting that under one name that covers it all makes more sense. If you wanna keep your list, then do. As long as you don't fight the fact that there are parts of you who didn't grow up. Which means there are littles living inside you, with their separate feelings from the adult you. Which is the same thing than having parts.

There is no other difference than telling it way more complex ways with so many different diagnoses, when one would include all. If that makes that big difference to you, although practically there is no difference, then use your long list. What matters is to heal those traumas and help the parts of you who couldn't grow up, and other parts there are, including you.

What fo you mean by this part? Whether they are actual diagnoses or the cause of trauma disorder is different question.

Chatter is not main evidence, because not every one with OSDD/DID has that, but in order for someone to have OSDD/DID, they do need to have parts. That is why parts are most important information.

I try to explain what I meant with attachment being the cause, not the diagnose.. So people can have trauma. There are several disorders trauma can cause, and dissociation disorders are one group of them, and they are always trauma based. For someone to create severe dissociation disorder, there needs to be two things happening in child's life 1. trauma that is repeated or continuous and starts before age from 6 to 9. And must have thing number 2. Lack of support, which could help the child to deal with what they experienced. For it to be possible, that there is no support for a child after trauma, it means it's very likely there were problems in the relationship between a child and their caregiver(s). That means attachment trauma.

So it is possible all people with dissociative disorders do have some sort of attachment trauma. Attachment DISORDER in adults on the other hand is not an actual diagnosis. It is not in DSM V, that is why there is no criteria for it, and I can not tell you what the symptoms of it can be or can not be. It can still be term used by Ts, just like C-PTSD is too, although it is not (yet) an actual diagnose.

So I questioned if an attachment disorder is a right way to describe you, although I do believe you do have attachment trauma. Attachment trauma does not mean you need to have attachment disorder. It is trauma like any other trauma, and the actual diagnose can still be dissociation disorder. So trauma is the cause of your symptoms, not your actual diagnose.

I'm not psychiatrist, so I can not do diagnoses. I'm just telling what makes sense to me, and how all dots can be connected simpler way. I won't write more about diagnoses, because I really am not psychiatrist, so it goes too much off topic from what this forum is for. It is not for diagnosing. I have commented on your diagnoses only because a specialist diagnosed you with OSDD already.

How can some with OSDD or DID not have chatter? If they dont have chatter how can they know different people are inside them? I would have never known I had any type of issue had it not been for the chatter. When it started mentioning names of people I dont know and reffering to ourselve as we snd you I knew something was off. I raised my daughter until she was 10. She is now 16. I was always excited to buy toys for her but never wanted to play with them. I just wanted her to be happy and this was after I was diagnosed DDNOS. I just now really started wanted to play with toys. I dont see jow you can be different people inside but have no internal dialogue.

You can not be aware of them, or they could communicate only with feelings and body sensations rather than thoughts. Everyone is DIFFERENT—every system is different. If someone has a particular symptom and you don’t, or if you have a particular symptom and someone else doesn’t, it doesn’t mean that either system is more or less valid.