Reconciling Inner & Outer World

sleepingwolf wrote:Something that struck us on reading this was how there is so little guidance or 'talk' about how to live Inner and Outer lives simultaneously, or how they link. I think this is a real challenge.

Something that always comes to us is that the way we are (and all you guys) isn't 'wrong', or 'broken' or anything, its just a different way of living to the norm. Therefore everything can still work fine, and be fine...but the major problem is there is no reassurance, guidance or help out there.

For example, relationships are complex things, with many strange, scary and odd things, for anyone. Even when people do talk about them its always in the 'normal' way, talking with the more 'unified' brain, and no inner world. So there isn't any mention of...'ok, so check in the Inner world for this or that...' or a chapter (or book?!) on 'how to have a relationship in the outer world and keep your Inner world kids safe and happy'....for example.

I guess everyone on here are pioneers really, and I'm very proud of that. It's great to see the discussions happening, and creating more understanding. Perhaps future generations will learn from our explorations. I really like that thought, it's super inspiring for us!

Good luck with your ventures guys!

Jules - One in the Albion System

I think there is little guidance because the ability of people who don't experience a rich innerworld is limited. To most people what happens in the outside physical world is what's real and then everything that happens inside is imaginary. But that thinking feels just like the black and white thinking (and feeling for that matter) that we often do and limits people's comprehension of the experiences of those with rich innerworlds.

sleepingwolf wrote:Something that struck us on reading this was how there is so little guidance or 'talk' about how to live Inner and Outer lives simultaneously, or how they link. I think this is a real challenge.

Something that always comes to us is that the way we are (and all you guys) isn't 'wrong', or 'broken' or anything, its just a different way of living to the norm. Therefore everything can still work fine, and be fine...but the major problem is there is no reassurance, guidance or help out there.

For example, relationships are complex things, with many strange, scary and odd things, for anyone. Even when people do talk about them its always in the 'normal' way, talking with the more 'unified' brain, and no inner world. So there isn't any mention of...'ok, so check in the Inner world for this or that...' or a chapter (or book?!) on 'how to have a relationship in the outer world and keep your Inner world kids safe and happy'....for example.

I guess everyone on here are pioneers really, and I'm very proud of that. It's great to see the discussions happening, and creating more understanding. Perhaps future generations will learn from our explorations. I really like that thought, it's super inspiring for us!

Good luck with your ventures guys!

Jules - One in the Albion System

So I'm like here first, so I'm gonna reply here and let Zor catch up later.

So for sure, there's not a lot. I did see an article on Sidran.org but it's from a person that has integrated and is not a T and it's good but it's like "I feel bad for those of you that haven't or don't" (I think it LITERALLY says that even), and it's all like "this is the ONLY good way to...", and IDK.

I don't wanna be like "scolded into it" or "guilted into it" kinda deal. I want just INFORMATION - not the author's like opinion shoved in my face about it.

I mean, I am glad that that went so well and the person is like legit balanced and feels like it's a monumental life changer for them- but it also seems like the ONE PERSON left is all that's there, all the rest were like "pieces to put together and the main one is the only one" and I HATE THAT idea. It scares me, honestly. Cuz I don't wanna not exist.

IF I feel myself losing myself too much, I am gonna like stop doing it, like going that far forward, cuz it's NOT what I want and I don't think it's a NEED for us to be like happy and living and stuff.

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So, I’m not sure if I really have anything helpful to add or not... but I do have a very elaborate inner world that has been around since I can remember. I also believe I am co conscious or sometimes living both simultaneously I guess? To differing degrees maybe?

When I first started therapy with my current therapist, it was because I felt I couldn’t connect with people and my relationships were suffering. Pretty early on, I mentioned my inner world, only I described it to my therapist as intrusive and unwelcome daydreaming. Unwelcome in the sense that it came out of nowhere and even if I wanted to stop, I couldn’t. I explained to her I had done this for forever, but I have little recollection of what it was like years ago, just the fact that I know I did it. I told her I really don’t need anyone else, because I have plenty of people to keep me company. But that I’m way too old for “imaginary friends” so I was super ashamed. But I told her, right then, I absolutely will not give it up. These are people I know and care about.

Now I’ve been curious as to whether or not any of the other ones I know inside, come out or not. It’s hard to say for sure, as inside some of us have special powers and obviously we can’t have those in the outside world, but I do feel as if though we can influence from inside. I especially know of one inside that I am certain comes out for very short times according to how my bf describes her.

For the past few weeks or so, I disappeared. I was inside, and to my recollection, the body was just doing it’s own thing, going about doing the necessary things of everyday life. I don’t know if this means someone I’m not aware of was controlling it or what. But from what I experienced, it was like my body was just on autopilot and doing just fine. It was a vehicle I was a passenger of. BUT there were also times I know I came in and out, when it was like two tv screens in front of me. I can hear both, I can see both, but I can only really give full attention to one. So I end up not knowing entirely what’s going on with the one I’m not paying full attention to.

I have important relationships inside as well. So I feel I can understand your feelings of not wanting to lose those. All I know, is for me, those things have never really gone away... even when I’ve spent time stuck outside. It’s kind of quietly going on somewhere inside me, to where I can’t hear it but I faintly KNOW it I guess. Then, when the time comes, I’m able to go back inside and everything is just the way it’s supposed to be, even if I don’t quite remember how things progressed to be that way... if that makes sense...

I hope this is relatable in some kind of way. I feel crazy when I try to explain it lol It’s something I’ve always hidden from other people for a very long time.

It is difficult to navigate these things... It's so new to us, too... I am sure that doesn't help... and given how entirely unique every case is (which isn't too surprising, as every person is entirely unique, too, right?) that makes it hard to have a "standard" set of rules or manner of manifestation for these things.

Thanks for the various points of views and insights. Y'all are amazing, as always! It's greatly appreciated.