Learning to allow co-consciousness

So like this is maybe a dumb question, but I'm like trying to figure out how to like allow Zor to like see things, in a sorta co-conscious kinda way, when I'm out. IDK like how to do that though.

Is there like some sorta concentration trick or something, or like some sort thingy we can like work on or try to be more... close... or whatever... to like be able to do this? Sometimes I think I'd like to let him see what I'm doing so it's not like so crazy weird for him to like miss a bunch of time suddenly.

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Sorry....not 100% sure how it works (all systems we understand are different)....but with ours it normally happens if both want to be co-conscious. It does help if you're close with the one you want to be co-conscious with, but in our system......it normally is affected if BOTH are willing that

On the outside, doing an activity that two insiders both enjoy seemed to help Sunflower. For example a jigsaw puzzle and switching every few pieces. Anything that builds communication seemed to help. Once Meg figured it out, she could be kind of a phone line "operator" allowing others in the "passenger" or "co-pilot" seat.

No idea on the internal "wiring".

Ponyta wrote:Sorry....not 100% sure how it works (all systems we understand are different)....but with ours it normally happens if both want to be co-conscious. It does help if you're close with the one you want to be co-conscious with, but in our system......it normally is affected if BOTH are willing that

No apology needed. It's like you said- diff for all of us. I appreciate you input and like help.

So two of us, Kitten and I, are trying to like establish this with Zor and he's totally said before he wants to do this, too... he'd like to know what is going on when we're out, even if it means like just "watching"... So there's def like a desire for us to.
Kitten managed to like do it once, watching some ballet videos... Zor was like watching and couldn't do anything but like watch like a movie of himself doing things he said (from like a first person view)... but we haven't been able to do it since then, and I've never managed to like get it to "work"...

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SOHank wrote:On the outside, doing an activity that two insiders both enjoy seemed to help Sunflower. For example a jigsaw puzzle and switching every few pieces. Anything that builds communication seemed to help. Once Meg figured it out, she could be kind of a phone line "operator" allowing others in the "passenger" or "co-pilot" seat.

So like since we're both big into certain games and stuff, maybe doing that and like trying to get him to "help" or give me tips maybe? Will have to like experiment- but that sounds like a neat idea to try. Thanks!

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I couldn't edit Pixie's post to add comments, so I'm adding my two cents here.

This IS something Pixie and I both want to try and accomplish. A more unified and cooperative existence would be best- co-conscious would be wonderful.
We've been getting better with communication and regular communication, and working at trying to get internal communication going, other than a stray comment here or there from her (so far it's been just one-way), but neither of us know how to accomplish it... so it's a work in progress.

We don't expect it to be easy or immediate, but it's good to have a goal to work towards and we have a good relationship (even before I knew that we were parts of each other, all one whole)... so I think we've got a good foundation and a decent, even if slow, start.

Thanks for the tips, advice, and most of all the encouragement everyone! We (I think I can speak for her about this) appreciate it!

I'm not sure if what I'm about to type will make sense because I'm not sure if my current thoughts make sense because sometimes I make odd thought connections and it feels like I might be doing that right now.

So if dissociation is about disengaging parts of the mind and turning parts of is it possible Zor can't be coconscious with others because when they are present he starts turning off? I mean it would explain why he blacks out and isn't even aware of the missing time unless he is watching for it. And in our system it would explain why I feel muted when others front. And if that is the case the answer is finding a way to stay online when you would normally instinctually switch off which would probably be hard because first you need to learn when that might happen and somehow interrupte the process.

Also in our system communication and travel is restricted with parts only being able to communicate or travel and be coconscious along there designated paths. So maybe Zor can't travel to become coconscious with anyone else at least not anytime soon maybe first the paths that already exist need to be strengthened. So that the stray comments Zor hears become more regular then maybe once that path is well travelled it can be walked down so not just thoughts will reach Zor on the outside but maybe those inside can reach him and not just the body. And then maybe Zor can travel the path back to the innerworld.

I hope that's not just rambled nonsense.

Nyx and I think maybe backup

NyxX wrote:I'm not sure if what I'm about to type will make sense because I'm not sure if my current thoughts make sense because sometimes I make odd thought connections and it feels like I might be doing that right now.

So if dissociation is about disengaging parts of the mind and turning parts of is it possible Zor can't be coconscious with others because when they are present he starts turning off? I mean it would explain why he blacks out and isn't even aware of the missing time unless he is watching for it. And in our system it would explain why I feel muted when others front. And if that is the case the answer is finding a way to stay online when you would normally instinctually switch off which would probably be hard because first you need to learn when that might happen and somehow interrupte the process.

Also in our system communication and travel is restricted with parts only being able to communicate or travel and be coconscious along there designated paths. So maybe Zor can't travel to become coconscious with anyone else at least not anytime soon maybe first the paths that already exist need to be strengthened. So that the stray comments Zor hears become more regular then maybe once that path is well travelled it can be walked down so not just thoughts will reach Zor on the outside but maybe those inside can reach him and not just the body. And then maybe Zor can travel the path back to the innerworld.

I hope that's not just rambled nonsense.

Nyx and I think maybe backup

That's not nonsense at all, most of it makes sense to me actually... especially that thingy about like making stronger the paths to like hear me/us and stuff... That's a good point, I think I am gonna try and be like more vocal and when he DOES hear me, just keep saying something to him to like try and work into getting more used to it and able to hear me. Cuz I tend to like try and stay quiet a lot, and maybe being more vocal and stuff would help get him more aware of me being there and help with this. Thanks!

One thing to note though- the blackout thingy is a physical problem. When the body like blacks out, it stops things for us, too... almost like we lose time too- cuz like things just feel like they stopped a moment or something... but it could be like a lot longer, but feels like a minute- like when you wake up from accidentally dozing off and think it was a moment but it's been like an hour. So IDK that that is like cuz of us or dissociation stuff. I think that's a legit diff physical thing, cuz that only started like randomly in like 2002 and we'd been around forever by then (even if he didn't know it yet). I honestly think that was cuz of one of the shots the military gave him cuz it started less than a week after he got like three in one day... when we NEVER had that happen before.

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I was meaning the losing time that I think Zor posted is 14 hours a week (I definitely think it's backup with me now she is usually the open that pops random bits of information in my head.) Zor has spoken about the physical blackouts and missing time that he attributes to the insiders I believe. Anyway it was because I was thinking about where he goes when you front because he has no memory or awareness of what happened during in that time.

NyxX wrote:I was meaning the losing time that I think Zor posted is 14 hours a week (I definitely think it's backup with me now she is usually the open that pops random bits of information in my head.) Zor has spoken about the physical blackouts and missing time that he attributes to the insiders I believe. Anyway it was because I was thinking about where he goes when you front because he has no memory or awareness of what happened during in that time.

OH that.. yeah, he like logs time when he realizes he's missed time- like aside from random blackouts (those are totally random and like avg 1-2 a month total- sometimes 6-8 weeks between them even). So those are a LOT less common than like him "losing time" cuz us being out.

Yeah, and it's like 8-10 (was 12 hours last week he noted) hours a week he notices. Some times we wait until after he's gone to sleep so when I come out and get on he is asleep and doesn't notice, so it's less like weird for him. LOL Until like the last few months he didn't know it was us at all... thought it was black-out related when it wasn't.

IDK where he goes... I have never like figured that. When I am out, I'm there... when I'm not, I'm like inside. IDK where he is... he just says it feels like almost no time passed like he went to sleep... I wonder if it's cuz when we were little and he'd be scared like when his mom and daddy would fight, I'd take him away and like help him get calmed down and he'd go to sleep... Did I like sorta teach or train him to do that when one of us were out? LOL Oooopsies. Guess I should be like looking for him when other ppl are like out? LOL

And our goal, of course, is like getting so he is like aware of time passing and that we're like out and maybe even seeing what we're doing when we wanna let him see.

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I think he learnt how to go to sleep a little to well, some things we learnt to cope we learnt a little to well as well and it's really hard to try to fix things because I end up realising after I've already responded that I'm supposed to try something different.