Unsure of anything

kittenspuppies wrote:I wouldn't recommend trying to self-diagnose - especially now. And picking out a particular therapist for a particular possible diagnosis (such as DID, dissociation etc) is a form of self-diagnosing.

With all you are dealing with, a good therapist who deals with grief counseling should also be able to point you in the right direction if other therapy is needed.

I respectfully completely disagree with you. I know we have had this or a similar disagreement before. You seem to think that somehow dissociative disorders are being mistakenly diagnosed in people who actually have a different diagnosis. While I wouldn’t say this has never occurred, it would be extremely rare, since dissociation is not even on the radar of most therapists. It is very frequently missed for that reason and also because the symptoms are often hidden.

Internal said that their wife has noticed 10 distinct personalities, and they have past and present amnesia. These are dissociative symptoms and someone with experience can help figure out exactly what’s going on.

In my opinion going to a grief counselor for this would be unhelpful at the very least.

TheGangsAllHere - you are misunderstanding me. You seem so certain this person has a dissociative disorder. You are in effect diagnosing this person.

I am saying at this point - especially due to the crises this person is experiencing - the only thing we know for sure is that there is profound grief.

Nobody here - including the wife - is in a position to diagnose.

Encouraging this person to view themselves as having a dissociative disorder is not appropriate.

Encouraging this person to get help to deal with their loss is appropriate. The therapist will be in a far better position to diagnose then any of us.

kittenspuppies wrote:TheGangsAllHere - you are misunderstanding me. You seem so certain this person has a dissociative disorder. You are in effect diagnosing this person.

I am saying at this point - especially due to the crises this person is experiencing - the only thing we know for sure is that there is profound grief.

Nobody here - including the wife - is in a position to diagnose.

Encouraging this person to view themselves as having a dissociative disorder is not appropriate.

Encouraging this person to get help to deal with their loss is appropriate. The therapist will be in a far better position to diagnose then any of us.

I agree with Kittens. We’re not supposed to diagnose people on this forum anyway, Gangs.

kittenspuppies wrote:TheGangsAllHere - you are misunderstanding me. You seem so certain this person has a dissociative disorder. You are in effect diagnosing this person.

I am saying at this point - especially due to the crises this person is experiencing - the only thing we know for sure is that there is profound grief.

Nobody here - including the wife - is in a position to diagnose.

Encouraging this person to view themselves as having a dissociative disorder is not appropriate.

Encouraging this person to get help to deal with their loss is appropriate. The therapist will be in a far better position to diagnose then any of us.

If he has DID ... which isnt impossible ... and it was the question he asked for too.. then treatment is very different for DID than it is for non-DID. (You are treating a big inner family and not a single individual)
-Treating trauma or grief in a person with DID as it was a singleton (disregarding the others) will make it worse since the others are constantly retraumatized.

To say that grief/trauma should be treated with disrespect to DID is to say that maltreatment is good.

To diagnose someone by saying that DID not shall be suspected or that noone should go to a therapist to get evaluated is quite weird, most people who gets diagnosed starts out as suspecting that something is wrong, then they go to a therapist to check their suspicion. Therapists dont fly around in the society and visit people to give them a diagnosis like somekind of toothferry-suprise. instead people are supposed to go to the therapist themselves, and if they arent suspecting anything, or get discouraged, then they wont go either..

However, he seems like an intelligent person and can do a validation for himself, as long as he gets the facts straigt. so, i am out of the discussion here.. EOD..

TeddyBear the helper wrote: Therapists dont fly around in the society and visit people to give them a diagnosis like some kind of toothferry-suprise.

(but what if it was true? )

KNOCK KNOCK KNOCK

Who is it?

It's the flying toothfairy therapist come to give you your diagnosis.

My diagnosis?

Unfortunately most of the good ones are gone already. I just have catatonia and pryomania left.

Could I just have a mood disorder?

Nope. You're neighbor used up my last one.

Darn. Ok I'll go with the pyromania.

Alright then - pyromania it is. Have a nice day. Should I pull the fire alarm on my way out?

Yeah. That's probably a good idea.


Iain

kittenspuppies wrote:TheGangsAllHere - you are misunderstanding me. You seem so certain this person has a dissociative disorder. You are in effect diagnosing this person.

...The therapist will be in a far better position to diagnose then any of us.

Violarules wrote:I agree with Kittens. We’re not supposed to diagnose people on this forum anyway, Gangs.

You are both misunderstanding me. I chose my words very carefully, and nowhere did I say to Internal that they have a dissociative disorder. I said that they have dissociative symptoms, which is just a fact based on their self-report. Those could be due to something other than a dissociative disorder, but Internal seems to be smart enough have done their own research, and found their way to a DID forum to describe symptoms for which they (somewhat reluctantly, as is the case with most of us) think might be best explained by DID, along with the VERY common feeling of

Internal wrote:Am I faking or have schizophrenia or am I going crazy or something?

My intention was to support Internal's own assessment of what was going on, to let them know that I understood that they weren't coming here for suggestions on how to manage grief over their loss, and to let them know how important it is to make sure that whoever they see has experience with diagnosing and treating dissociative disorders, since in my opinion and without offering a diagnosis, that is the category into which their reported symptoms fall, as they have clearly already determined for themselves.

TeddyBear the helper wrote:To say that grief/trauma should be treated with disrespect to DID is to say that maltreatment is good.

To diagnose someone by saying that DID not shall be suspected or that noone should go to a therapist to get evaluated is quite weird, most people who gets diagnosed starts out as suspecting that something is wrong, then they go to a therapist to check their suspicion.

Exactly, TeddyBear.
And thanks for the laugh, IainEtc!