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Confusion about new protector

Postby nothingelsematters » Wed Apr 02, 2014 12:42 am

Hey all.
So I have a new protector that came forward about a month ago. It appears that what made her come forward was my hysterectomy, which was three weeks ago today. It's a long story, but she seems to be a protector in the classical sense of the word. She is solely here to protect and does so using rage and addictive behaviors. My hormones are messed up and I have been experiencing a lot of rage and grief and she is right there to try and "help." She states that she doesn't care if her actions are destructive to me or the other parts, she says she has to do what she has to do to keep me from feeling pain. I am unable to convince her that a new way of protecting me would be best. My question is this. Is it POSSIBLE that she can have any empathy at all, or is it possible that she honestly doesn't care and just exist to protect no matter what the consequences? My T was talking today about whether or not this part carries shame. I said I don't think she carries any memories or feelings other than rage. What I heard today after session while thinking about this is "I DON'T HAVE ANY F'N SHAME!" My response to that was "Thou dost protest too much."
Another part has said that she split off of her during a particularly traumatic event and this protector hasn't confirmed or denied. I do wonder if she didn't exist earlier but used different ways to protect me but was flying under the radar and nobody was aware of her but during this traumatic event she became so rageful that she was then noticed.
Does anyone have any ideas or insights about this? All of my other protectors have come to the point where they are actually very kind, compassionate parts who want nothing more than to help. This one frankly scares me a bit. She clearly doesn't think I'm a capable adult, and she has made it clear she will do WHATEVER it takes to protect me, even if that means kill the system. Needing some guidance here.
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Re: Confusion about new protector

Postby Johnny-Jack » Thu Apr 03, 2014 2:03 am

Anyone, a person or an alter, can call a behavior protective. Dictators and abusers often say irrational things like they're willing to destroy in order to save, or they hurt people for their own good. Any decent, rational person knows this is twisted thinking.

I think this alter carries some behaviors which originated from encounter with an abuser of the system. So this alter's decisions, fueled by unmitigated rage, may be so detrimental that they're the equivalent of an introject. Abusers often do not listen to the protests of the one they abuse or, if they do, it doesn't change the behavior. From what I've seen and read, this refusal to listen, this absolute assurance that they are right, no matter what the pain or cost to your systems needs to be changed or be stopped. This situation is quite different from an alter who cannot yet be reached.

About shame, of course this alter holds shame. Rage often comes from betrayal and feelings of powerlessness, and this inability to stop abuse is experienced in part as shame, no matter that stopping the abuse was absolutely impossible. In most cases I recommend compassion for alters who firmly believe they are still protecting the system when the broad experience in the present is that they are not, they are simply repeating a behavior from the past. But sometimes the inability to reflect, communicate, or have a moment of doubt leads to acting out in a way that can be dangerous.

If this alter refuses to engage in workable communication with you, have you considered working as a system to quarantine or otherwise incapacitate this alter? Could your system jointly accomplish this if you all worked together?

The rage is genuine, it belongs there. It is just. But acting out of rage in a way that reinjures the body originally hurt makes one into a bully. Until this alter can engage in the first steps of conversation, quarantine may be the best option until communication can begin. This should be done with a point of view of compassion and respect. Sort of like one needs to take scissors out of a running child's hand because they are being a menace not only to others but to themselves.
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Re: Confusion about new protector

Postby nothingelsematters » Thu Apr 03, 2014 2:24 am

Thanks Johnny-Jack. Actually yes, we did contain her today. She is in a house by herself with windows that can't be opened or broken and a door that locks from the outside. She went willingly, which surprised me. That's the first time I've seen her be anything but combative. I learned a little bit more about her today during session from Sammy and it does appear that this one has been around for a long time and took the brunt of the most severe abuse. I agree, her rage is just. However we have to figure out a different way for her to protect. We are trying to be sober and she protects by drinking. She is very hyper-vigilant and any time I feel ANYTHING, even if it isn't "that bad" she is there and insists she knows what she is doing. She has been extremely rude, too. She told T she needs to "Back the F off" and yelled that T owes her some F'N respect. T said something today that made sense. This protector is doing what she was created to do and in a sense she isn't doing anything wrong. We just need to negotiate on new ways of her being able to protect.
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Re: Confusion about new protector

Postby Johnny-Jack » Sun Apr 06, 2014 9:36 pm

This sounds like a good development, for your system and for her. I hope she'll be comfortable, gets some well deserved rest, and gets a chance to talk to all of you about how you'd all like to work with her. Her method of helping was formed from horrible circumstances but no doubt she's also one of your strongest parts. In the long run, she'll likely be one of your greatest assets.
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