alters with dyslexia and with out.

Hi there.

The more and more we have opened up communication within the system, the more it had become apparent that Sam and Jake, so very much do not have dyslexia.
I believe it was I, river who was diagnosed with it in collage and again when training as a teacher, actually it would have been teen alter. We were also diagnosed withADD that the lady did not make official as she feared we would not get employed !

So dyslexia low down- dose not effect i.q. Effects ability to structure, sentence and paragraph. Spellings are often spelt wrong inconsistently (so the same word, spe
lt wrong, 5 different times on the same page)

People with dyslexia find difficulty doing these things because they see the world in images in 3d all the time. words on the page, can blur, move, change sizes and rearrange them self.

So why the lesson?

Well while teen and river have it, since Sam and Jake started writing it had been noticed that they blinking don't! not one blinking bit!!

Some how I can understand one being able to draw and one not because of age difference and function. But river and ten who had it was a teacher and a uni student who could have done without lol!


BANG! WOOSH HHHH, WIZZZZZZ! Myself and my T were so excited and so perplexed at this.exited because I could integrate that skill when Sam and Jake integrate with me and perplexed in an intellectually simulated way at how the brain could do that?!

I do not have the scientific answer but I think I have, just a moment ago figured out why two alters do when two alters don't. Both river and teen all have access to memories of the ab#se we suffered but Samand Jake do not at all. So it would make sense that the brains of alters consumed with all during development would be dyslexic.

If anyone, has a scientific reason they can explain or any links that look at theory behind the development of alters and the creation of devices in the brain?


Love this kind of juicy theory stuff and making sense of my crazy head!


Hope it helped some one else.


To be sure I'm not sure who I am but I had fun

Was wondering if any one had problems at college our work, where there alter who is young and can not wrote takes over?

I wad diagnosed with dyslexia but I think it is my younger alters who are at there normal reading age who were diagnosed. They also do an i.q test which was a vastly so a completely different out come.apparently I was a genius,I just couldn't spell it.

So I think it was two different alters taking the test!

Funny

Btw-i do not believe in i.q tests measuring genius. Intelligence and cleverness is two different things

I too have dyslexia (thank you for writing the word in the title so I could copy and paste it ), but it was never diagnosed at school because when I had to take the test another alter must've done it. We've also done like a million IQ tests because no one understood why it said 'genius' once and 'idiot' at the next.

riverside wrote:Btw-i do not believe in i.q tests measuring genius. Intelligence and cleverness is two different things

And you're completely right ^^
IQ tests were never meant to measure how genius or clever someone is, most only test logic, memory, spacial orientation and/or linguistic skills. So it doesn't even test intelligence fully, it only tests a few area's of intelligence. It neglects things like musical intelligence, bodily-kinestetic intelligence, naturalistic intelligence and intra-/interpersonal intelligence (and also spiritual/existential intelligence, for those who are into that). So IQ doesn't even show intelligence in general...

One of our littles has dyscalculia which is numbers blindness. It bleeds through sometimes but not at other times but in elementary she had a really tough time. Partially because our language pronounces the numbers backwards. In English you would say 87 as eighty-seven, but we say seven-and-eighty so she would confuse 87 and 78. It's idiotic but nobody seemed to get why she had trouble with that. Nearly all of us like English much better anyway, and we don't have as much trouble with numbers if we think in English, which, usually most of us do, but that wasn't possible at school. Oh yea that reminds me in school there was a time that we also had dyslexia but that magically disappeared. I think it was caused by a rare eye disease that we had rather than by faulty brain wiring, but the result was still the same.

But all our intelligence areas fluctuate in weird ways. Sometimes I'll be completely stupid but at other times I am so smart (for my doings) that I scare myself. The thing that bothers me most is that it's completely unreliable and beyond my control. It's not like I can switch stupidity off or intelligence on at my command. I know that in the FOO, and because of the bullying too, we had to switch off intelligence. It would have been unbearable if we would have been smart enough to see through all the $#%^ people do. It's still like this today. For example I can be either social or smart but the smart one is a total dickhead and the social one is a totally naive stupido. I guess because we fear each other and because we're so different, we can't share our stuff. But mostly I think that our brain is simply wired like this now because of all the years we've been doing it that way.

Sometimes we're also colorblind which is totally weird and just as unpredictable as 'how smart I'll be today'. I looked it up and it seems that malnutrition can cause sudden colorblindness so maybe that doesn't have anything to do with anything psychological. idk. Just know that I have it. I will have to ask my bf which color this is cause I totally can't see it while at the tests it doesn't seem like I would be 'dx'd' colorblind.
It's like this shifting game with everything I do really. I play music, but sometimes I'll hear the slightest flat/sharp intonation, but at other times I completely don't. Or worse, sometimes I completely forget to implement certain aspects of the instrument that should be implemented but I totally kick ass at it at other times.
Sometimes I can't see further than a meter (from the eye disease, idk why it's only sometimes and idk why it doesn't show at the appropriate eye tests) and I can't even see people's faces!, but sometimes I'll be able to see a tiny screw laying on the floor, from 8 stories above it. Every thing I do is uncertain cause everything keeps changing. Sometimes I'll be really really good at playing shooter/racing games, but other times I'll get my ass kicked really bad.. Strategy games are a total mess.
My IQ came up as average for my completed education while I did an education 2 levels below my level, for which I've never had to study only to pass all the exams with 2 extra points, even math and economy.. I guess it's all about what actually comes out of the head, and I guess that the result of all the impairments described in my post (stupido versus dickhead is the worst), is just average intelligence even though I know that, in my head there's lots more than what actually comes out. Talking about this stuff actually makes me want to go back to school. It's just that stupido and dickhead have completely different interests and objections to the other one's interests, so we can't make up our mind.

Have a good day everyone, TC

I don't know the specifics of why or how but the girl I am a carer for (who has DID) has some parts that are dyslexic and some not. It's very interesting, actually. I would imagine that there would be a way to heal the dyslexia then, as it is not system-wide.

Hey River and All!!

riverside wrote:Myself and my T were so excited and so perplexed at this.exited because I could integrate that skill when Sam and Jake integrate with me and perplexed in an intellectually simulated way at how the brain could do that?!

You guys can totally integrate all of your abilities. It does perplexes me, how can a brain do that? It's so amazing!

riverside wrote:I do not have the scientific answer but I think I have, just a moment ago figured out why two alters do when two alters don't. Both river and teen all have access to memories of the ab#se we suffered but Samand Jake do not at all. So it would make sense that the brains of alters consumed with all during development would be dyslexic.

If anyone, has a scientific reason they can explain or any links that look at theory behind the development of alters and the creation of devices in the brain?

It does make a lot of sense; however I don't have any research to prove your point.

Have a look at this post, maybe you find something useful.

Problems Reading - dissociative-identity/topic90399.html#p823258

By the way, what you guys were talking about the IQ, I've read that people who have DID are very intelligent people. They had to be to develop this defense mechanism.

TheCollective wrote:The thing that bothers me most is that it's completely unreliable and beyond my control. It's not like I can switch stupidity off or intelligence on at my command.

The Collective, you made me laugh with this comment. An on/off switch would be helpful.

Take care you all.

Sea

hi there,


Thank you to each of you for replying and in each way for giving me such things to think about.

I wanted to say sorry for not replying sooner. I have to get my head round the idea of the fact i cant trust myself when i say ' i know what i've done today', im always so sure and i dont feel the need to check things. I think that maybe part of myself is so sure of myself that its to proud to check things just in case, as if it would be proof that i really do have DID!

Do you think i could be experienceing myself as an alter that i dont know? I have just lost days actually where i swore i was doing things just to prove myself wrong when i checked my phone for proof, just for it not to be there. So maybe i was this alter who refuses to have DID during this time?
UMMM, well back to the toipic for now....

Sea- thanks for the reasurance about intergration of abilities. At the moment things have gone a little empty inside and i havent been able to talk to sam or jake, these are the two alters who can write without problems. I know they are there, i can feel them. I just have no idea why i cant communicate with them and why they are not communicating with me or anyone here.


Thecollective
I have heard of dyscalculia and the way you describe the bleeding of the problem through your system, is how i feel it with the dyslexia except it is the ABILITY to write that bleeds through. Regarding the rare eye disease that you got, what a lucky bean" did , dyscalculia and a rare eye disease! wonders never sease lol!

Fluctuating intelligence , O yes! we are also with you there. We are well known for our one way or another personality and never realted it to anything but when thinking about DID it is easy to look at DID and little Alters and see how intelligence could easily swing in different directions esp in co-con or suttle re-volving door situations?

Colour blind as well! You do have some hurdles to climb!

Thank you so much for all that you wrote, it really did give us some things to think about and made me feel alot more calm about not being left swinging in the brezze with no ability to read when i intergrate! thank you!

ManyHearts
Lol re: Dyslexia - isnt is so funny that they made the name of the thing the most strangest spelling!

We've also done like a million IQ tests because no one understood why it said 'genius' once and 'idiot' at the next.

Just had a thought when i read that - is it because you are dyslexic or because you have alters of diferent ages or intelligence! O the questions!



OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY DAYYYYYYYYYYYYSSS!

I just read the post i originally posted and i have no memory of the second thing i put- what do i have some kind of thing called DID or something. Yet, again i am shocked for some reason. lol. plonker.


thank you all so much. You are all so amazing and kind for taking the time to help us out. We hope this meets you on a good day.

River n co.

Given the fact that widely divergent physiological differences can appear in a system of alters, it's entirely possible that most or even all of what you describe is DID-related. Someone may well have a diagnosable physical limitation, disorder or disease and this should be determined by a physician. Howevever, if the physician doesn't know about the DID at the point of diagnosis or if the physician doesn't understand that different physiological states are possible under DID, they may diagnosis from a lack of knowledge about the patient.

People who have DID are commonly diagnosed -- as well as self-diagnosed -- as having something else, including having no disorder whatsoever. Prior to knowing I had DID, I was diagnosed with clinical depression, manic depression, dysthymia, exhaustion, neuroses, and other things I can't even recall. And this isn't anywhere near the list I see here, often in their signatures when they first post.

For us, with Inky's return, I've had moments where he or I get stuck in a loop of saying the wrong syllables instead of the word or phrase I intend. Or I sort of know what I want to say, but it comes out jumbled, very frustrating! This might well be diagnosed as some form of intermittent aphasia if I didn't already know I had DID and that this sweet little guy had this odd effect sometimes, even when he's only nearby and not fronting.

Heck, I would have thought it was aphasia or something much worse if I hadn't already met him. More confusing, it can be deliberate, as when distracting ourselves with word and sound play, or accidental when access to normal speech is temporarily blocked and word mush comes out, even if it's sometimes decipherable. At first it was quite disturbing not to be able to say what I wanted. Language is one of the few things I feel some mastery over. But since I know it's only temporary, I can also marvel to see how mangled sentences can get and to notice patterns in this over time.

We have a second aphasia-like condition when Ashar is out front. The last few times he has tried to speak only odd creaky sounds come out. I've developed a new sympathy for people who are dyslexic or have dementia or brain damage, as from stroke, which prevents expressing normal language. It can be incredibly frustrating.

From what I've read, integration pretty much brings forward the skills formerly owned by alters into the integrated person. But I still worry about the single incident I recall reading (did I?) where a skill held by one alter, like playing a violin, did not get integrated, it seemed lost. But that worry is mostly because I have DID and tend to catastrophize.