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Naivety?

Postby TheCollective » Tue Sep 03, 2013 5:10 am

Have you ever been robbed /scammed / otherwise been cheated cause dissociation made you unaware of the truth of the situation?
There were people who stole something right from under my nose. I didn't notice it, but now I'm like how could this happen. In hindsight I can clearly see something's wrong, I can even see them taking it and looking at me funny but I banned all the signs just like that!
I can barely imagine overlooking this, it's so obvious now. I wonder how could I let this happen. I honestly didn't notice. I got scammed twice in one day. One of 2 instances I heard this voice alerting me to this very happening, saying "ask for the item back", but I banned the voice before I even noticed it was there. It's almost like I purposely turned a blind eye to all of the signs. The stupid thing is that I'm usually really vigilant and notice the smallest unimportant things all day long. If someone would have told me that they missed a thing like this I would be so dumbfounded. How could I miss a thing like this? Why didn't I even notice that I was dissociating like this? I don't know if I can even trust myself at all. I feel like such a failure. I feel like I have this big sign on my head saying Scam Me I'm Dumb! :(
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Re: Naivety?

Postby skin » Tue Sep 03, 2013 9:45 am

People who have mental health disorders are vulnerable and much more likely to experience abuse, because they are percieved as naive. It is not naivete; you are vulnerable and someone is using that vulnerability to take advantage of you. You haven't clarified if this was someone you know? I would take it very seriously if this was done by someone who is a part of your life; in that case it is an abuse of your situation and I would strongly recommend you take steps to remove this unhealthy relationship. You do not need people like this: they are certainly not your friend and if family, they should not be given your time unless they can respect you.

It is a bit more difficult when confronted with randoms who are looking out for opportunities. You can't give yourself a hard time about it- having DID does not mean you are naive, it just means you are vulnerable, and this is not your fault. If you can, in either case let someone safe know you feel you are being taken advantage of. Taking things from you 'because they can' is not an excuse and it is not okay, in any way.
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Re: Naivety?

Postby TheCollective » Tue Sep 03, 2013 11:33 am

Thanks. I know. I guess it's just another thing we have to deal with..
Both of them were salesmen. The other situation can potentially cost us a lot of money because I didn't notice that I wasn't going for the best product (showroom vs. new and boxed) even though it should have been obvious. I'm embarrassed to write details here cause it's just so stupid!
I feel like I really disappointed my partner cause he trusted me to make good choices. I want independence but clearly I can't handle it.
But Yes this situation has happened before with so called 'friends' too.
If at least I would have known that I wasn't quite up to the task on that day, I could have made this purchase on another day. But I didn't notice that I was dissociating so much. Well now I do but not at the moment that I should have noticed.
Sometimes I feel like trying to be nice to people is what causes this cause making comments like 'that's mine give it back', or with the showroom product, asking for a lower price, isn't nice, so I'm not aware of the entire situation instead, so I can still be nice. Stupid facade. I don't even feel the need to be nice to everyone I meet. I just wish I had some control over this stuff. :(
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Re: Naivety?

Postby niva » Tue Sep 03, 2013 11:40 am

I can definitely relate. Especially with Sonja, who tends to take over if certain negative feelings exist (like red flags for not trusting somebody) so she can minimize, rationalize, look on the bright side, the sliver lining, make excuses for others, etc. Sonja has quickly made friends with people who scare us/make us uncomfortable many times.

If her capacity for complete trust, optimism, and denial is exceeded than one of the littles would probably take over, rendering us utterly powerless/helpless/terrified/hopeless/inept in changing the situation; they might [try to] numb out/detach/disappear/etc.

Or maybe Aiden would front, and any important gut reaction/instinct that could exist to protect us would not.

Yeah, dissociation is not always protective...

I was in an abusive relationship for 6 months without realizing it, because the littles would come out and numb out/freeze up/disappear for the worst of it. It wasn't until afterwards, when somebody showed me a list of what an abusive relationship looks like, that we realized it.

I've been in many smaller situations like you describe as well.

But it is not always the case. As the compartmentalizations break down slowly with T and I am more able to maintain my sense of grounding, I am becoming able to learn about how to deal with those situations like a 'normal' person, to listen to my gut (i.e. it's the littles who are protecting me there, with their feelings of dread; it's just a matter of me staying in control).
-Big N (usually grounded/OK/the host)
-little n (depressive child part; aka 'Jane')
-Aiden (obsessive/thinker part; no feelings)

Integrated:
-Sonja (preteen; happy/optimistic/good girl/social part)
-niva (teen; aggressive/frantic; lust/passion)
-ninchen (brave child; 9)
-Cedar (spiritual part)
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Re: Naivety?

Postby TheCollective » Thu Sep 05, 2013 9:13 am

I'm sorry we tried to answer your post but it has us rapid switching due to the conflict it provokes so nothing we write makes sense anymore. So all I know is that there's so much conflict inside us that we cant even write it down. Sigh there goes another estimated 1.5 hours trying to make this post. I really have to go now. Anyway thanks for the reply. And yes, the relationships, we've had Many of those.
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