Tulpa?

Hi guys. Haven't post here for a few days now. If you guys are wondering what happened to me, well yesterday my mom bought two persian cats and one normal (?) cat! So cute!
So I was thinking about this old topic in this DID forum and I was thinking about tulpa and found this: http://hamumu.com/forum/showthread.php?t=23892
And I thought like "so, what I've created are tulpas?" (Is it tulpas or tulpae? ) I mean Knowledge solves my Maths problems, Racheal and Nurul be friends with me (and Jake). So... they are not alters but instead they are tulpas? I don't know. I feel excited. I don't know why. So that's great! They are actually my tulpas.

And LifeLongThing, congratulation you've became a mod.

Did you put conscious effort into making them? Tulpae don't just happen without you noticing. It takes a lot of time, work, and concentration to bring them into being.

I'm really sorry to (maybe) rain on your parade, but I think I should ask: Why do you think you're happy for them to be tulpas? (I'm concerned this could be a form of denial. Like, if they're tulpas instead of alters, then it means you don't have DID. I completely understand that, I've experienced relief and happiness when I thought of something it could be instead, but ultimately, that just pisses my parts off and prevents me from moving forward and dealing with it.)

You have a good therapist, I hope? I think it'd be a good idea to bring this up with him/her.

whenever I read about tulpas I think, what actually is the difference to an alter? i mean, it is possible for DID systems to consciously create alters, and maybe some tulpas are not created as purposefully as the person thought - meaning the tulpa is actually an alter that was there all along.

in effect, when there is more than one self-aware entity in one's mind that has agency and can take executive control, isn't it the same difference? or am i missing sth?

Tulpas can take executive control? I didn't know that. (And I'm having trouble finding concrete/reputable information about them.) I thought they were more like a learned hallucination. Or maybe that distinction isn't meaningful. I don't know. I kind of think it is, though. But I'm having trouble verbalizing the difference. (My brain is going kaput for now.)

If tulpa is basically another name for "animal alter" then I retract my post.

I guess a better question would be: AdamMZ, how do you define tulpa and what is your experience of your tulpas?

apparently they can drive

http://www.reddit.com/r/Tulpas/comments ... d_me_down/

at least on that forum peoples talk about their tulpas much in the same ways as we talk about our alters here - makes me think, either these ppls have alters and don't realise it or tulpa and alter is kind of the same...

Tulpas .... interesting.... Makes me think of Golems, but those are real creatures you create with your emotions mind etc etc.

I think a Tulpa - correct me if I m wrong - sounds like a inner guide, helpin you through subconcious problems, lookin at things from a distance and able to help you handle life

where alters can take over in the mids of a conversations or create hammock and confsion for other people you re talkin to?

As in, a Tulpa is more a support then a part of your personality representin somethin?

Not sure if I get it either really.

Nina11

Huh. I really wish there was more information. The best I can find, aside from forums, is the wikipedia page that describes tulpas as a mystic/religious phenomenon, heh. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulpa)

The forum thread that AdamMZ linked to (http://hamumu.com/forum/showthread.php?t=23892) describes them as being separate from alters. They don't go into why exactly they feel tulpas are separate from DID (and don't seem to know much about DID, they even call it MPD), though, so I have no idea if their view is accurate (from the link):

"What is a tulpa?
The dictionary definition is "a being or object that is created in the imagination by visualization techniques such as in Tibetan mysticism".
Practically, a tulpa is, in essence, an imaginary friend that you create for yourself. They can interact with all five bodily senses (in addition to a couple more that I am not going to bother explaining here). This means you can see, hear, touch, smell, and (ew) taste them. Although a tulpa is based entirely in your mind, it is set in the subconscious to allow them to exist and operate without your attention and focus.
A tulpa is fully sentient, self-aware, and has its own personality, thought process, and likes/dislikes. They have unique appearances, voices, scents, and personalities, which they can change at any time.

Now, you may be thinking; "Isn't this like schizophrenia or multiple personality disorder (MPD)?"
No. This is nothing of the sort. Schizo is a psychotic disorder which distorts the senses and may give you false stimuli. A tulpa interacts with the world as it should, unless you specifically tell them to ignore a certain law of physics (such as gravity). You cannot contract MPD from a tulpa, as they are a completely separate entity. You will never be taken over by your tulpa, and cannot, except for a long and complicated process known as "switching" or on smaller scales "possession". This process is voluntary and takes several weeks, if not months, of work."

(There's more, but it's long, so I didn't put it all here.)

Which I guess just brings me back to my question to AdamMZ about what his personal definition and experience is. Though that's mostly curiosity - I still feel a trained therapist is the only one who can really help him definitively sort this out. Though I suspect finding a therapist who knows about and has experience with tulpas and DID might be almost impossible. I suppose I'd recommend bringing information to a good DID therapist and describing your personal experiences, AdamMZ.

Edited to correct a typo.

AliasForAFew wrote:Did you put conscious effort into making them? Tulpae don't just happen without you noticing. It takes a lot of time, work, and concentration to bring them into being.

Yes, I'm pretty sure I put conscious effort into making them.

AlteredArt wrote:I'm really sorry to (maybe) rain on your parade, but I think I should ask: Why do you think you're happy for them to be tulpas?

Because if I don't have DID, means I don't have any alters. And that means my "alters" are fakes and it's just me. I thought they are my alters until I know something about tulpa.

I have no time to post and stuff. Bye for now.

I'm using a smart phone.
@AlteredArt
About my personal life, i think i accidentally created racheal three times. I created her when i was really upset twice and i created her when i thought i have DID once. I created jake and eve when i thought they are my alters and i created nurul when i was playing a game and thinking about friends. I need a therapist to talk about this. I will talk to my psychiatrist.

Edit: And about other "alters", ani is part of the delusion, david is just a voice, and i want to like um... Ignore my two alters. They seem to like inactive.