I Want Alters *trigger warning*

Just wanted to make sure I got it right. DID and DDNOS-1 isn't "the same thing" so I like to tell the difference

Thanks though, the paper stuff made sense

ASD? That's acute stress disorder. ASD is until 4 weeks after trauma, after that, it's PTSD (by definition). http://www.psychology.org.au/Assets/Fil ... orithm.pdf
IIRC PTSD has one (or more, but that's more likely C-PTSD) EP, which may have a rudimentary sense of self (I don't know whether there's always an EP there, though).

To quote the DSM-IV about DDNOS-1,

‘‘Clinical presentations similar
to Dissociative Identity Disorder that fail to meet full criteria for this disorder. Examples include presentations in which a) there are not two or more distinct personality states, or
b) amnesia for important personal information does not occur’’

(see https://www.ptsdforum.org/c/gallery/-pdf/1-38.pdf, which is a really good paper)
So there you are. Either the parts are not fully separated or there is no amnesia. By definition.

AFAIK DDNOS-1 is largely merged into DID in the DSM-5, as a lot people got diagnosed with DDNOS(-1) while they had, in fact, DID. So I think that's part of the confusion.

Why am I posting this? Because I like knowing exactly what's going on. Analogies only go so far.

I still believe DDNOS-1 is just a less-extreme version of DID. Less (or more, from another perspective) developed.

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AFAIK DDNOS-1 is largely merged into DID in the DSM-5, as a lot people got diagnosed with DDNOS(-1) while they had, in fact, DID. So I think that's part of the confusion.

Yes (mostly from the fact that they are wording things differently or more clearly). The main differences are in DDNOS-1 there is only 1 ANP (while in DID there can be lots) and no time loss. The DSM changes can be read about here (amongst other threads): dissociative-identity/topic102081.html

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It's been proposed that DDNOS-1 comes from the same type of structuring as DID, but where the brain has already gone through some natural integration before the trauma(s) occurred. This would make sense, I think.

oaktree wrote:ASD? That's acute stress disorder. ASD is until 4 weeks after trauma, after that, it's PTSD (by definition). http://www.psychology.org.au/Assets/Fil ... orithm.pdf
IIRC PTSD has one (or more, but that's more likely C-PTSD) EP, which may have a rudimentary sense of self (I don't know whether there's always an EP there, though).

the information i have is from doing some of my own research and that sprouted from tylas/sev0n posting about ASD, since her daughter was/had(?) developed it, in the thread "is there such a thing as splitting?". from what i found and what she said, it does indeed go ASD, then PTSD or C-PTSD depending on the condition, but the EP from the ASD is still there. ASD is when the EP is first developed from the trauma, if there is going to be one. least that's how i read it. i could be wrong.

either way, ASD and C-PTSD can both involve EP's, and can be developed by anyone, at any age.

as tylas/sev0n said, anyone can "create" EP's. but only DDNOS-1/DID will have an ANP/ANP's.


and as for why/how some kids develop DDNOS-1/DID and others don't despite both going through trauma, everyone's different, and it all depends on their environment and the care they got. johnny-jack once said something along the lines of "you can put a child through anything, and as long as they receive love, support, care, and help with healing and processing that, they will be ok. if they do not get what they need or as much as they need, that's when things like DID can begin to develop."



i just now realized that i have completely hijacked this thread.


i'd like to apologize to orboros, and return to the original topic.

Oroboros wrote:Yes, I get that wishing for something that might not turn out to be what you thought, or even if it's good to you it's gone poorly for others. I'm 15 and the point I'm at between depression I can't find joy in little things....I'd need a major change to get stuff going, which might be part of why I'd be interested in having alters, it wouldn't necessarily just be a major change for me, the alters themselves could also initiate changes. Just hope for change in general, eh? Guess it could be seen as something like divine intervention even if the alter weren't divine.

everything can be changed, including your mindset and thought process, no matter how deep into depression you are. that's not to say it'll be easy, or that it'll happen overnight, but it is indeed possible. by doing things like using self-pep-talk (even if it's forced), making yourself focus on the positives (no matter how small or few!), making yourself look for the positives, making lists or something to remind yourself of the positives, doing things to help keep your mind on the "positive thought" track, etc., you can, over time, come to change your mindset, your thought process, and thus, your general mood. it's not easy, but it's possible. you can sorta "train" your brain to get out of the depressive rut thinking/mindset, and get it used to looking for the positives automatically, focusing on them automatically, (maybe not all the time, but most), and that sort of stuff can help your general mood improve.

for no matter how long the night is, dawn always comes eventually.
and no storm lasts forever. sometimes, though, all you can do is hang on the best you can, and ride out the storm. just know that you will indeed see the sun come through the clouds again. because nothing lasts forever.


or if it is indeed a major change you need, why not make one? decide to make a major change, and make it your goal to keep with it best you can. perhaps change your style, or get a new activity/hobby, or change your routine completely (as completely as you can), or change your food diet (like try different foods, maybe start eating different things on a regular basis, etc), or maybe do something like clean out your room and then rearrange it- maybe even with getting rid of stuff and getting new stuff over time, something like that.


also, for depression, regular/good sleep, a healthy diet, and making sure you get time to relax and just be are very important. as well as just taking one day at a time, one step at a time, and knowing that you can indeed get through this and are strong enough to handle this. (if you weren't, you wouldn't have made it this far). also, exercise. even if you don't feel like it, force yourself to do something, anything, even if it's going for a short walk around the block once a day or something. (oh, and a lack of vitamins can affect depression too, like vitamin D if you don't get outside in the sun enough. if i remember rain's readings correctly, this is why almost everyone can be a bit down or not as motivated/energentic during the winter time, the vitamin D availability goes down. it's a natural cycle, though, and affects some more than others of course because everyone's different). that, and getting outside can help in general anyway, with the fresh air and then it helps to make yourself look for things that are positive, like a nice blue sky, or a pretty bird, or some flowers blooming, or a bright green bush, or something.


we struggle with depression as well, so we know it can be hard to cope with. hang in there and stay strong.



- cassie (age ?)