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Re: New to dissociative matters

Postby oaktree » Sun Jan 27, 2013 10:15 pm

** a little bit rant-ish **

You have Asperger's? Well, then I think I can sorta understand your troubles with understanding and being understood. Autism (-related) disorders are common in DID/DDNOS/dissociative disorders because, people with autism have more trouble understanding people, have more confusion and thus can handle less stress. And that doesn't include all other issues with handling stress that are common in people with autism/Asperger's/etc. (I basically heard this from my therapist, but it makes much sense).

About self-help books: I've read one. And it was the last. It is often like 'you should do this and this and this and you'll live a better life'. It just doesn't work that way. Everyone is different. But parts of the books can, of course, help. Just be wary of the pitfalls and the non-working positive thinking strategies they use (even if they don't acknowledge it and say they don't work :roll:).

But they have a good point. A wrong mindset is really hindering. Everyone has a certain mindset ('glasses') and it never equals truth, no matter how much we want that to be true. It is important to always look for what one sees wrong.

I hope you will see what I mean. This is meant helpful, although it may not feel that way. Know that I care about you and try to help you no matter what.

I think there is something wrong with you point of view. Again, I don't mean this as an insult, it is intended as pointing out a flaw, with the intention of helping you become better. Everyone has flaws. For one, I would like people to point out if I have such flaws.
You say everyone and everything has hurt you. Or at least, that seems to be the message you give. But I'm sure this isn't really the case. Think of people who did help you. And don't immediately start pointing out what they did wrong. Or that they were insignificant. That may feel to be the case, but it probably isn't the case. Think of things you have gotten to in your life. Yes, maybe people have gotten further, f*#c them. Don't compare with those. It doesn't help comparing yourself with people that have gotten further financially. But there's so much more than that. Compare yourself with yourself previously. That will give a better view of how things are going. If you're improving - great! Even if it's small, it's an improvement. If things are going worse now - you will get over it. Look at why things are worse and start from there. Or look whether there are things that are actually improving. Focus on that. You're so much more than you see currently.

As far as not feeling accepted here - you are accepted. The thing that upsets people is what Kat said very well. When you see things CAN get better, and asking help for that, we will help you with that. When you're only saying everyone and everything is hurting you and you have so much problems and everything we suggest doesn't work... how are we able to help? Sorry, we do our best, but then it's just not possible to help in a meaningful way. And I know you can be different. It will take effort - any mindset/attitude change takes effort. Much effort. I don't deny it. But it's so much worth once you see the bright side of life! Everyone up here has tried to help you. As others said before, and I will repeat that, if we didn't care about you we wouldn't respond. We would just leave you. But that is not the case. We care about you. You just have to see it.

And social phobia... it probably won't be an official diagnosis for me or anything, but in the sense of the fear of social situations... join the club! I think many of us in this forum have issues with it. Heck, why would I come here in the first place? And the PTSD/DID/whatever that made them come here made matters even worse.

remusmdh wrote:I need such extreme amounts of detailed repetitive lessons to learn new things... well there is a reas... anyways.

You mean you have talents in small things? If that's the case, that's Asperger's (but you probably already know this). I have seen, for me, the talents, may compensate the loss of 'normal' (i.e. neurotypical) abilities. It was hard to accept at first, I'm really sh*t in social situations, but it is improving now and I have recognized I have talents in other areas. Not everyone is the same. So not everyone has the same abilities. Yes, you have difficulty learning. What do you think was one of the reasons I'm now dissociative? Another story, and it doesn't really belong here, but difficulty learning has increased how often and how severe I got into trouble.

Just know you are accepted here. You deserve to live. You deserve to be accepted. You just have to see it. And no, I'm not saying 'get over it', I'm saying you have to see there are other ways. Once you see they are there, you're soo much closer to healing!

(Wow. This was a long write. And that with how fuzzy I'm now. Anyway, I hope it will help you. If it's too much, just read it in parts.)
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Re: New to dissociative matters

Postby remusmdh » Mon Jan 28, 2013 2:17 am

Apologies for wasting all of your time.

Sorry for being too big a coward to kill myself and this... waste of time. Apologies. This thread has helped hammer home this. Sorry.
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Re: New to dissociative matters

Postby tomboy24 » Mon Jan 28, 2013 3:23 am

Ok, now I'm mad.

Now you're guilt-tripping us, making us feel bad for TRYING TO HELP YOU, by posting this message which basically says you've decided to give up and kill yourself. You're still playing the "oh woe is me, I suck so much" song even though EVERYONE AROUND YOU IS TELLING YOU THAT YOU DO NOT SUCK, YOU SHOULD NOT DIE, AND WE CARE ABOUT YOU AND ARE TRYING TO HELP YOU.

You came HERE looking for help, and you were getting it. It's not our fault that nothing we say seems to be helpful to you.

I refuse to accept your apology. You did not waste my time, but you are wasting it now with that last message. I was perfectly willing to continue giving you my time because I think you are worth it, and I was perfectly willing to continue to try and help you. YOU ARE THE ONE PUTTING A STOP TO THE HELP YOU WERE GETTING. THIS IS NOT OUR FAULT IN ANY WAY. You are only hurting yourself by refusing our help and then blaming yourself for NOTHING. I still think and fully believe you are worth my time...if you choose to be. You have to choose to be open to help. You have to choose to let people help you. You have to choose to believe that it is possible for things to get better. Those choices are all up to you.

I hope that you live. I want you to live. I am angry and frustrated with you, but I still care about you and want you to live. I think and believe you are worth my time. I do not believe you were wasting anyone's time up until you posted this last message.

I hope you return here and are able to see that you're only hurting yourself by running away from people who are trying to help you and want nothing more than to try and find a way to help make things better for you.

Best of luck to you with everything.

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Re: New to dissociative matters

Postby michiru7422 » Mon Jan 28, 2013 3:35 am

We couldn’t help. We’re sorry. We wanted to help.

You are a worthwhile person. This was not a waste of our time. You can’t see that now, but we hope that you learn that in the future.

The one of us who prays is praying for you.
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Re: New to dissociative matters

Postby salted lipstick » Mon Jan 28, 2013 11:39 am

Kat, I'm sorry you are frustrated by this thread. I think perhaps next time you are feeling like this, maybe just try to take some time away from the thread because you seem to be a bit triggered by remusmdh's approach, understandably I think. Sometimes we need to recognise when to take a minute to calm down and know that unfortunately, try as we might, advice doesn't always fall on ears ready to take that information in. It can be frustrating, but getting mad and typing that out here comes across as confrontational and maybe a bit scary to some people reading here. We want everyone to feel safe here, so that's why I suggest taking a break for a few mins.

If you have any questions or comments about what I've said here Kat, please feel free to PM me. :)
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Re: New to dissociative matters

Postby salted lipstick » Mon Jan 28, 2013 11:43 am

remusmdh, hang in there, ok?

I know things are hard and you feel like the odds are stacked against you.

Try to do one small thing for yourself each day to keep giving yourself the courage to carry on. I'd suggest maybe writing an entry in your journal thread each day here. It will be hard but I know that you can have the courage to do this, just as you have had the courage to reach out here.
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Re: New to dissociative matters

Postby Una+ » Tue Jan 29, 2013 5:15 pm

Whew. This poster has a severe problem and really needs professional help. His grandiosity is totally out of control. I think our DID Forum is not an appropriate support group for him at this time, but I hope once the grandiosity abates he will return.
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Re: New to dissociative matters

Postby oaktree » Tue Jan 29, 2013 7:40 pm

Ok, for everyone posting here, I've seen remusmdh has written a blog (for if you haven't seen it):
* Advanced warning about me
Just so you know.

To remusmdh, you're still welcome if/when you need help.

Both autism and PTSD/DID/whatever it may turn out to be isn't easy. Both cause misunderstanding. And I think there have been a lot misunderstandings or not-intended feelings expressed here. I hope you will find health and stability.

Good luck.
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Re: New to dissociative matters

Postby tomboy24 » Tue Jan 29, 2013 9:34 pm

I agree. Resmusmdh is still welcome here if/when they need help.

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Re: New to dissociative matters

Postby remusmdh » Sat Feb 02, 2013 6:58 pm

salted lipstick wrote:Try to do one small thing for yourself each day to keep giving yourself the courage to carry on. I'd suggest maybe writing an entry in your journal thread each day here. It will be hard but I know that you can have the courage to do this, just as you have had the courage to reach out here.


The problem is the more I talk about this stuff the more I plunge into despair. I have never gotten any relief or sense of satisfaction from talking about this stuff. Yes, I want to talk about it, because i'm full of pain over it, but the talking produces nothing positive. And one look at this thread and how things went mirrors how things go in therapy too whenever I open up about how I really feel. So... why open up just to get blasted for being bad and wrong and worse?

This is a curiosity question, not a "i'm not opening up and getting yelled at" statement. i really want to know what opening up is supposed to accomplish.

Una+ wrote:Whew. This poster has a severe problem and really needs professional help. His grandiosity is totally out of control. I think our DID Forum is not an appropriate support group for him at this time, but I hope once the grandiosity abates he will return.


Ahhhh Una+, you are the most interesting one, to me at least, because you hit on two important things most ignore when i start opening up. "Needs professional help" and "His grandiosity is totally out of control."

First, and definitely foremost, what do you mean by "grandiosity" in this context?

Second, I have been getting what little professional help I can get for almost three continuous years (parts of 2012 there just was no money for even pills, so everything stopped). Pills do not help me, my anxiety therapy has made it so I can't even walk into stores now without feeling like the walls are crushing me and I have a slow build up to a massive panic attack. And there is no such thing as depression therapy. The only thing they tell you is "get over it, it isn't real." So... what do you consider professional help?

I ask this because i cannot afford most things and well, state does not provide anything serious in this area, so, i'm curious what professional help actually is for those that can afford to buy it?

oaktree wrote:Ok, for everyone posting here, I've seen remusmdh has written a blog (for if you haven't seen it):
* Advanced warning about me
Just so you know.

To remusmdh, you're still welcome if/when you need help.

Both autism and PTSD/DID/whatever it may turn out to be isn't easy. Both cause misunderstanding. And I think there have been a lot misunderstandings or not-intended feelings expressed here. I hope you will find health and stability.

Good luck.


Oh, I need help, but as a friend in Germany points out "the autism means that you will have great trouble with changes" and then toss in the PTSD, DID (whatever issues there are or aren't there for me), learned helplessness, and despair bouts from years of lack of any hope and now knowing how little hope there is for poor people in the US.......... the more I think about all this stuff, the more I want to die, simple as that. And when I go to professionals i'm so terrified of beatings, screaming, and punishment... I rarely tell them how I feel, what is going on in my mind, and... and... and I just don't know, something something.

tomboy24 wrote:I agree. Resmusmdh is still welcome here if/when they need help.

-KAT



shay
hope
resmusmdh
get
help...

:oops: :|


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Shay and kat, i'm not even sure how to reply here without setting off another bout like last time >_>
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