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Postby mcintyre » Sun Jan 21, 2007 12:15 am

Interesting...
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Postby roselight » Sun Jan 21, 2007 12:48 am

Thanks Alison. Nice to make contact with you.

The free download is at http://www.emofree.com

I've had the series of EFT CD's for several years and have recommended the free downloads many times. If you (or anyone else) want copies sent to you, I'd be happy to do that but it will be a little while before I can do so. Please PM me if you want copies.

The problem is, what works for some doesn't work for others, and unfortunately EFT didn't work for my son. Neither has Reiki or TFT, though I've used Reiki very successfully on my son and myself for other health issues and for relaxation. Healed his burst eardrum in no time!

With my son, any therapies that require him to move his eyes in certain directions, can actually bring on symptoms of conversion disorder. I don't yet understand why this is so, but this is why I stopped using it and also why I haven't sent him to an EMDR therapist, which is also supposed to be very effective for some.

I researched various therapies and trained in several of them, because I've been interested in drug free alternatives for most of my life. I wanted to help my son and others with special needs and mental health problems, as they're generally prescribed drugs way more often than so-called "normal" folk. I guess it's the same in the States. It's definately the case here, and last year, laws were put into place to change this following a long and in depth study by the Disability Rights Commission. Medical staff are now required to undergo training in how to better deal with, communicate and treat their more vulnerable patients. Thank God!

Warm regards to you Alison and thanks again.

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Postby alycorn » Mon Jan 22, 2007 1:07 am

Roselight -
If you could send me copies of the CD's that would be great. For now I want to try them out on myself, but suspect they could also be useful for myfiance who is dealing with some emotional issues and learning disabilities. We're doing our best with everything, right now the main issue is money, but I've expected that from when we first got together. Between the two of us, we've been squeaking by - My income's pretty predictable, and he pulls in whatever he has to/can to get things in line. I'll pm you later, there's no particular hurry on the CD's, since I'm a bit overwhelmed right now anyway.

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Postby mcintyre » Wed Jan 24, 2007 12:28 am

Roselight - I've been looking at the EFT site and have downloaded the book for reading later.

Does it really have an effect though? I'm a little sceptical I must admit....

Thanks - Dan
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Postby roselight » Thu Jan 25, 2007 9:47 pm

Dan-
It works for some, but you're right to be cautious as there's an element of doubt on in its long-term and other effects.
I got an 8 page article today from the "Human Givens Journal" that looks at EFT, EMDR and the Rewind Technique.
It's a long article and my scanner doesn't work, but I'll scan and email it to you from the library soon as I can. Meanwhile, here's a partial explanation of the articles findings:

Technically (so to speak) all three therapies have a common set of mechansims that help achieve physiological change. By creating disassociation on one level, the meaning of the trauma can be changed.
Quote: "This is achieved by manipulating the interplay between the amygdala, the hippocampus and the neocortex. The amygdala is the organ that in the brain that alerts us to possible danger and triggers the fear response; the hippocampus gives an event context and codes it in a form that can be stored in the neocortex."

EFT was developed by Gary Craig, but was originally derived from TFT "Thought Field Therapy" which was developed by Clinical Psychologist Roger Callahan. Both men claim the tapping works due to tapping meridian pathways on the body and this free's up "blocked energy" and cures the problem.

I've trained in TFT, and as you know I also have the EFT CD's. I have my reservations about both these, hence I won't use them as a stand alone cure....I like to know the finer details.
I also don't like the idea that people can "effectively" learn and understand a therapy in a couple of days. Especially when we're talking trauma and deep rooted issues. And what if other trauma's surfaced during treatment?

Then there's the arguments between Gary Craig and Roger Callahan "camps" as to what's best. Frankly I found it tedious and even more off-putting. I just want facts!

Today, my reservations are confirmed and my curiousity for a sound scientific explanation, satisfied by this detailed explanation of EFT. Handy, since it's been raised on this forum recently.

I'm not discouraging the use of EFT, just saying if yoou choose EFT, it's better and safer to let a Human Givens Therapist, a well trained Hypnotherapist or NLP Practitioner/Master Practitioner work with you. Some of them use EFT and the Rewind Technique and will be adept at putting you in a calm and relaxed state of mind, so if other issues arise, you're not freaked out.

It's not the tapping nor the sequence of tapping itself that works. Paul McKenna uses it very haphazardly but gets reasonable results all the same, and he's not the only therapist that uses tapping in a random order!
Either way, because of the possible arousal of deeper memories surfacing, only use it upon yourself for minor issues, if at all.

Quote from the article:
"Another important caveat, however is the piecemeal way that traumatic memories appear to come to light when using both tapping (EFT) and EMDR. (Indee,d Shapiro has in the past urged against using the method with multiple traumas because of the amount of emotionally disturbing materaial that can surface during its use.) On one of the videos I have viewed, in which Craig demonstrates the tapping technique with a male client, the man accesssed the pain and anger aroused by the fact that his ex-wife had stopped him from seeing his daughter and, on a scale of 1 (low) and 10 (very high) managed to get his arousal down to the level of 2. However, almost immediately, another painful memory surfaced of the affair his ex-wife had had while they were still married. Craig makes a comment to the effect that "This always happens. As soon as you cut one tree down, another one pops up......As soon as you cure a headache, the patient becomes conscious of a toothache, then a stomach ache." He then proceeds to deal effectively with each "tree" with apparently good results and client satisfaction. However, the phenomenon does raise the possibility that a client would leave a therapists office hyper-aware of new concerns, or having dealt with smaller concerns, vulnerable to other larger ones rushing into consciousness later, when immediate help is no longer available.
With our lenghy experience of the rewind technique, however, we know that a skilled therapist can use the technique to detraumatise a whole range of traumas in just one rewind, without these needing to be verbalised in turn or even necessarily brought to consciousness. Another advantage of the rewind technique is that practitioners produce a profound level of calmness in the patient beforehand, so that they have much more control over keeping arousal down once the patient gets in touch with the traumatic template.
By monitoring their emotional state closely and if arousal increases, guiding them to take a break from "viewing" the trauma and guiding them to return to the "safe place" identified prior to staring the proceedure, we have a means to stop the patient getting too fearful and emotional. Furthermore it is easy to integrate and activate other ancillary therapeutic proceedures alongside the rewind technique while the person is still in a deeply relaxed state."

Does that help Dan :lol: or do you wish you hadn't asked!!

You are wise to be discerning. My personal choice would be the Rewind Technique and I'm not suprised to see it win hands down following the various studies.

I've been trying to contact you in this regard the past couple of days. Left you a coupla messages too. There's a therapist in your part of the world who charges on a sliding scale. She comes well recommended and is trained in the rewind technique.

Catch you later

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Postby mcintyre » Fri Jan 26, 2007 1:44 pm

Thanks. If you've been trying to contact me on my home number I'm very rarely there and don't check voicemail unless prompted to.

I'll have a check tonight.

Thanks again, if you know of this therpaist if you could let me have her details that would be something to look into, thanks.
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