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I came across a forum for mums about child caring about 6 months ago. I made a post about circ and my story and left soon after. While still angry about this earlier today, i remembered the post that i'd made and i went back there. The responses were absolutely disgusting.

Most women will say it's their choice, even the one's who chose not to mutilate their sons in that disgusting act of child torture and molestation.

I was given comment like: "I would feel horrible if we didn't do it and then had to get in done later"
Comments telling me I was not mutilated.

COMMENTS LIKE THIS

I personally know of a boy the same age as you who was NOT circ, and he had many emotional and physical problems because his parents decided not to have him done.

I had my son circumcised at 4weeks of age and soooooo glad we did!!

He was one of 20babies done that day, and not one of those babies came back crying!!

WHAT THE ###$ AM I READING. PEOPLE ARE OPENLY CELEBRATING ######6 CHILD ABUSE.

I'D RATHER I WAS ######6 BEATEN AND RAPED UP THE ASS. That wouldn't leave me with an ugly desensitised penis.

WHAT THE ###$ IS WRONG WITH THIS WORLD?

I hate my parents and i don't trust them or anyone else, they were suppose to care for me . Doesn't ######6 matter if someone's not out to get you, they'll ###$ you over with their ignorance eventually.

###$ you to everyone here who thinks this isn't abuse. I know there will be some, but they'll probably not even bother to read this. And even the ones who care enough to post will probably be hiding the fact that they don't think it's that bad.

I'm so angry. I could beat any of these mums to death and feel absolutely nothing but joy in doing so.

I would have had mental problems regardless of my penis. But this makes things so much worse.. I could never even enter a relationship due to my severe insecurity surrounding this.. If i was a girl i'd definitely rather a fully functional and sensitive penis to play around with..

The only thing that i want that is actually possible to be given is simple recognition. Child abuse is a pretty broad definition covering stuff that i would think barely harmful to some pretty bad stuff. I would say male genital mutilation is a fair way up that scale, yet NO ONE WILL RECOGNISE IT. AND IT'S LEGAL.

Hi Anxious58,

I agree. I also consider circ child abuse and I do think that it should be illegal. Unfortunately, this issue is hard to fight on a legal ground because circ is a part of two of major world religions-Judaism and Islam, and anything that has to do with religion is difficult to challenge, as the law usually errs on a side of religious freedom. Besides, a simple law change will not stop this harmful practice. Something that has been practiced for thousands of years can't be stopped overnight. People's mindset hase to change in order for this to stop.

I also know that many people who circ their kids in the States are neither Jews nor Muslims. They may be Christians or others, so they don't even do it for a religious reason, so their reasoning is totally incomprehensible to me.

I imagine that if some conscious people want to implement the law to make it illegal, the opposition will demand that they show the evidence that this practice is harmful, and, unfortunately, testimonies of people like you, who suffered mental damage as a result of having been circed, will not be accepted as valid, as the direct connection between circ and the person's mental damage cannot be proved.

In any case, I definitely think of circ as abuse and I am sorry you suffer from the consequences of this horrible procedure.

Since you have suffered the mental damage from this having been done to you, why don't you become an advocate for implementing the law that would ban this practice? You can start a petition on Change.org or create a website where you can write your story and educate people about how circ can affect boys and men. The best way to deal with your anger is to do something to eliminate what makes you angry and make this world a better place. Venting on forums helps but that by itself won't change anything.

WM

WM

I just wanted to add, in relation to this:

Anxious58 wrote:I could never even enter a relationship due to my severe insecurity surrounding this.. If i was a girl i'd definitely rather a fully functional and sensitive penis to play around with..

I think if you were in a relationship, the girl is going to care more about the fact that she has the chance to be physically intimate with you, someone she loves. It's less about your actual penis and more about the fact that she gets to share a sexual experience with someone she loves. I don't think it will be an issue to her, except on the level that she will hate the fact that this issue has given you pain...

salted lipstick wrote:I just wanted to add, in relation to this:

Anxious58 wrote:I could never even enter a relationship due to my severe insecurity surrounding this.. If i was a girl i'd definitely rather a fully functional and sensitive penis to play around with..

I think if you were in a relationship, the girl is going to care more about the fact that she has the chance to be physically intimate with you, someone she loves. It's less about your actual penis and more about the fact that she gets to share a sexual experience with someone she loves. I don't think it will be an issue to her, except on the level that she will hate the fact that this issue has given you pain...

I agree.

Yes, it seem religion has... well, we know religion absolutely despises sex and genitals. For no good reason.
However, my family is primary irreligious. Especially the males. Which I guess just shows, people can make deplorable, illogical decisions with or without religion.
I'm actually from Australia. Our culture seems like it was influenced into genital mutilation by the Americans, as we have always been quite close.. Though, rates have been dropping since the late 60s. I was born in the early 90s so i'm quite the minority.
I would desire not to be the minority, but i am not the kind of person to wish this sort of harm on people just to not be so. Which is what it seems some of the medical "professionals" (ha..) have been doing, mutilating babies as fast they can while in a severe case of denial about the whole issue.

I'm not sure how I feel about saving others, and attempting to influence politics. I am but one piece of this machine.. It seems it will do what it likes regardless. But I guess if I could save one boy, it may be worth it. I'm also not sure how I can do that besides sharing my story, in a way more well written.

I find it exceedingly difficult to respect and get along with my mother whom I live with... and i've not told her what is wrong with what's she done. But she is dumb.. I don't know what to think when she recalls how protective she was of me, in ways that weren't needed. Yet, decided to have me molested, tortured and mutilated.

I think if you were in a relationship, the girl is going to care more about the fact that she has the chance to be physically intimate with you, someone she loves. It's less about your actual penis and more about the fact that she gets to share a sexual experience with someone she loves. I don't think it will be an issue to her, except on the level that she will hate the fact that this issue has given you pain...

yes, that would be ideal. But people often just have sex for sex. I don't have the mental stability right now to sustain a real relationship anyway. It just hurts my confidence to know what I have is inferior.

Sharing a well-thought out and written story could be more effective than taking a political action at times when the society is mostly ignorant about this issue and not even aware of it. As far as relationships go, relationships with those who only need sex aren't worth having. Just my opinion.

I'm from Australia, where , as I think someone posted above, circumcision is exceptionally rare in people who are neither Jewish or Islamic.
I am not circumcised, though I do think it is wrong as a practice and amazingly strange (albeit disturbing) that Americans of all demographics want to scar their children's genitals. I don't think any mother or father really has the right to mutilate their child without sufficient medical or religious reasons (that outweigh the potential negatives). These mothers have no right to argue for circumcision, it's one of the rare cases of reverse sexism, if fathers were arguing that female genital mutilation for aesthetic purposes was a necessity for their daughters, they would be publicly hated.
The truth is that these women don't have a penis (obviously), They are not doing it for a religion or any medical reason. You can't scar your child's body (especially genitals) for aesthetics. It's like giving them a tatoo at birth, or ritually scaring someone. It's an archaic institution that is no longer needed, except in medical situations, as far as I'm concerned.

Sharing a well-thought out and written story could be more effective than taking a political action at times when the society is mostly ignorant about this issue and not even aware of it. As far as relationships go, relationships with those who only need sex aren't worth having. Just my opinion.

Maybe. But, well, i guess the facts are already there for people who want to know them. I can't force people to understand. The post I created on that forum 6 months ago had some pro-circ responses regardless of the pain i'd described.
random lady after reading about my pain: "I had my 4 boys cut and it's good their peni don't smell anymore. Nice and clean. SOOO GLAD WE DID IT "
Not a direct quote but that's pretty much how it goes with some.. there really were women saying that intact baby penis's were stinky. BUT, of course there would be some not so stubborn. I can try. If I can make a difference i'll feel good about it.

I'm from Australia, where , as I think someone posted above, circumcision is exceptionally rare in people who are neither Jewish or Islamic.

i wouldn't say exceptionally.. Even now it is rare. But in the 90s, well a few of my school friends who were also born in the 90s were circumsised.. And i didn't see that much penis. So it may not have been more than half but 1 in 10 or 1 in 5? I'm guessing so.

These mothers have no right to argue for circumcision, it's one of the rare cases of reverse sexism, if fathers were arguing that female genital mutilation for aesthetic purposes was a necessity for their daughters, they would be publicly hated.

I know, this world is absolutely insane and hypocritical.


On another note. Over the past year i've been focusing more on what i don't have.. I'm definitely not gay but not homophobic either. I've wanted to taste/play around with a normal penis lately, because i've never had one. lol sorry if it's inappropriate or something.
Same thing when people have nice facial features that I wish I had. I can't help to stare and keep comparing everyone in a nonsexual way. Male or female. I like wide cheek bones/large jaws and wide shoulders/backs. None of which i have.

While I still remember, I want to post this link that someone posted on Twitter because it fits right into this discussion. Here it is http://stephaniebe.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/circumcision-party-24740-1304842481-1.jpg I understand that this newspaper excerpt will fuel the rage around this issue and this is ok, because I think that conscious people should be enraged about this. I certainly am.

Another thing that enrages me is the mothers' responses to Anxious58 on that forum. I am a mother too and I have a son. He is grown up already. I would have NEVER even thought of doing this to my son when he was a baby. This wouldn't have even crossed my mind! And how outrageous it is for those mothers to call their sons' uncirced penises "stinky"! What kind of a mother would say something like that about her child's body part, whatever it is? The other thing that I can't understand is why those women are so focused on their sons' genitals in the first place? What is this about? Why would parents think about their children's genitals at all unless there is a medical problem that needs attention? This sounds so sick to me..

WM

While I still remember, I want to post this link that someone posted on Twitter because it fits right into this discussion. Here it is http://stephaniebe.files.wordpress.com/ ... 2481-1.jpg I understand that this newspaper excerpt will fuel the rage around this issue and this is ok, because I think that conscious people should be enraged about this. I certainly am.

Yes, it is so wrong.. One fact though is the muslims, jews and people in aus and us like the cut to be very tight and uncomfortable. Where as the Malaysians are left with quite a lot. I know this because of a Malaysian on a forum I visit, and he was still very distressed about the whole issue regardless of how much more he had than most men on that forum.

This wouldn't have even crossed my mind! And how outrageous it is for those mothers to call their sons' uncirced penises "stinky"! What kind of a mother would say something like that about her child's body part, whatever it is?

I agree, I would have thought the urine and poop that babies keep producing would easily mask the smell of a foreskin.. I mean, from what i've read i don't think it's even retractable until puberty. So it shouldn't produce much stench.. Besides what are they doing? Sticking their nose right next to the babies crouch? this makes no sense.

The other thing that I can't understand is why those women are so focused on their sons' genitals in the first place? What is this about? Why would parents think about their children's genitals at all unless there is a medical problem that needs attention? This sounds so sick to me..

Other adults abuse young children because they are horny, sadistic, angry or all of those. That I can understand. Not saying it's ok, just that i can actually understand the motives behind it. Where as with genital mutilation, i don't. crazy.

It just leaves me confused. My parents may show they care about me but how could someone who cares do this to me. I can never forgive them. I mean ever. They've really hurt my relationship with them.