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All these people saying let him stand up for himself and be brave are idiots. I know a kid who I grew up with, went through the same thing your kid did at the same age, cept there was a gang of em giving it to this boy. Eventually he did "stand up for himself and be brave" after a couple of years. And he got expelled from school for it. Now has terrible anger problems, has a criminal record, was a heavy drug abuser for several years, can't make proper relationships, can't hold down jobs and to be honest, if I hadn't been friends with him for such a long time, I probably wouldn't like him at all! Very few other people do.

Best thing to do if this is happening to your kid is, MOVE YOUR KID SOMEWHERE ELSE. And enrol him in a martial arts school to give him his confidence back. If it was me, I would teach him how to get his own back on the bully with a couple of moves but if you don't know how... it's not -as- important as getting the kid out of there. ASAP. They are old enough to understand what being pissed on is all about. Both the one doing it and the one getting pissed on. This kind of $#%^ ruins children.

Trust me.

If you ever come back let me know how your son is getting on.

Hello ma'am(I assume you are a lady because of the flower avatar, yeah I know I'm a paleo-conservative lol),

If I were your son and I knew everything I know now, I would have taken a baseball bat or a shovel, and I would have hitted him in the back of the head while the bully wasn't looking with the intent of sending him directly to the hospital.

I know your son is weaker than the other boy,but an attack from the rear and with a weapon is fairly unforgiving.

Legally, I have no idea if it would fly. Certainly don't do it if it isn't or if there is a high chance your kid might end up in a psychiatric institution(might severly restricts his choice of unversities lol). But then kids this age can get away with a $#%^ LOT. I would not be surprised if your kid merely got a slap on the wrist. Morally it's certainly worth it. These guys literally can destroy lives. And it sound as though your son have had his confidence stolen away from him.

Don't worry about your kid being expelled, in academia and in the real world, as you must already know, his kindergarden antics are very easily overlooked lol.

Ah and I agree on the suing part. Rain hell on them.

As for Voice_of_reason's point...
Okay,you will not nescessarly become a drug addict or a criminal if you fight back. I know somebody who went to the worse school in Montreal(american knuckles, knives and even guns were not unheard of in school fights), he got into fights every weeks and actually was considered the usual suspect by the Police. He joigned the army and eventually got an engineering degree. As long as you are well guided,there shouldn't be a problem. Standing up for yourself is not idiotic, all rights has to be physically secure before they come into effect. Of course, avoidance is the best policy,but the kid is so deep in it, he just might not have a choice.

Also, have it occured to you that factors outside of fighting back(such as the bullying itself,a crap household) might have contributed to your friend becoming psycho?

Alas, I agree with you that it would be preferable if the kid moved.

You have to think about this VERY serious problem that can last your sons whole life and cause him to develop personality disorders for not standing up to the bully.

I was looking around here because my wife was bullied as a child and now has HPD and has wrecked the better portion of her life because of this very act of which you speak. She was bullied as a kid. Her parents would say to ignore them and my wife became very submissive to the world against her will. This happens for males as well.

Let the kid figure this out and figure himself out. Help him to see that there is no winning in fighting a bully but if he HAS to stand up for himself....... then he has to and you should support him in his decision. Take him to get self defense classes and spar with him. You owe to him to secure his coping skills as well as his self defense skills.

I was bullied as a kid once....... I won!! It gave me confidence that I can't begin to explain. Also gave me respect and sorrow to find out how sad the kid really was. Your son is a little boy in a mean world. Let him talk with you! Fathers are suppost to push their kids to grow and fear less but respect more. A bloody nose isn't that bad and losing is that bad either if he is taught to stand up for what he believes in!!!

Of coarse we live in America and women CAN'T stand any type of violence so I expect to here some white noise. OH, WELL!!

We're men........ teach your son to be a man!!! Your wife might not like it but she will not like going to counseling appointments every 2 weeks with your son for years to solve some deep personality issues either. You can also teach him the way of the fox, to outsmart this kid, but it could lead to other outcomes.

I hate to hear this though, I would always stick up for the kids picked on, whatever happened to the kids that helped the bullied kids out??? Don't let your son become a passive, weak person though. Work with him! DO NOT FORCE FITTING ON HIM....... ONLY FOR SELF DEFENSE...................

O-M-G !!!!!! you said peed on him and made his face blue?!!!! hello what are you doing dad would like it if some guy did it to you?!!of course not it would be a crime and you will totally inform police!!.....i mean you are totally doing wrong thing by letting your son go in a class with that stupid boy....omg you said he peed on him i cant freaken imagine this O-M-G

if i were you i would:

go and talk to his parents (go now dad dont let your son face that again your job is to protect your son dont talk to that stupid teacher your son may face rape soon !!)...if they didnt respond i would go to the police ,seriously!...peeing on your son means that the stupid kid peed on you... a real dad/mom would refuse that but if u didnt do anything.....kill your self your son doesn't deserve you...oh poor kid =(

NEVER let your kid go to that school again while that fat ANIMAL! Does what he want!!! Fix it!!

i know that your kid is not mine and i have no business and i should only say my advice but this case is not normal it needs an emediate action because your poor son is facing one of the worst feelings can a human feel!...NEVER let your poor son go to the school before the problem is fixed with the stupid fat kid (i mean seriously what a wasted parents he has to raise a human to become an animal who cause horrible feelings to others?!)...if transferring your son to another class didnt work(like trying to avoid facing that fat kid)...you should absolutely transfer your kid to another school

For the record of others reading this post I did not mean that retaliation would lead the kid down the "wrong path". What I meant was, waiting too long to deal with the kids situation would.

I agree, sue for damages. Run them into the poor house and show the kid how it feels to be on the short end. Next throw in up into the air thousands of miles like Handcock.

I got bullied at pre-school and more than 40 years on, the scars are still with me. Back in those days, girls were usually taught not to fight and I was no exception. Being the smallest in the class and also having undiagnosed Asperger's, I was a target and the bullying was tacitly condoned.

The idea was bullying was good for a child because it "toughened them up!" Wrong! Most bullied children who cannot fight back end up full of festering resentment that comes out as nightmares, aggressive behaviour at home, depression, low self esteem, and the list goes on.

It has only been in recent years that I have started really sticking up for myself and I have a long way to go.

Seems that bullying is still being tolerated far too much, even when a school says it has "a zero-tolerance" policy in place (in fact, watch those ones the most - all too often their real approach is see no evil, speak no evil, hear no evil, and the bullies are still allowed to go on their merry little way and wreck lives).

The kid DOES need to stand up for himself!!! Only you can protect you and anyone that calls me an idiot is an idiot themselves!!! That's the way I had to learn, so should everyone else!!!

Optimistman wrote:The kid DOES need to stand up for himself!!! Only you can protect you and anyone that calls me an idiot is an idiot themselves!!! That's the way I had to learn, so should everyone else!!!

Yes, well. Everyone else isn't you. I agree that it's important to be able to defend yourself but it takes time to learn when it is better to fight back and when it's better to make a strategic withdrawal. In the meantime, there should certainly be a message from the top that a bullying culture will NOT be tolerated.

It's also important to realise that just because a school or other institution SAYS they have a zero tolerance policy on bullying, it does NOT mean they actually do. It could be more of a see no bullying policy. Actions speak louder than words and what parents and others need to see is this policy put into practical use.