I don't think it's going to work.

I'm getting that freak-out feeling, the one people on here have come on and described as they kept taking the med even though they were freaking, feeling nuts and and their limbs felt like they were burning (like mine are beginning too) as their doctors said "you're still adjusting to it, give it time", problem is, give it too much time and not only gets worse but stays with you for a week or more afterwards. I've been there many a time.

I just took a walk to the corner store and realized whilst out "oh $#%^, I'm going to have to fast walk it" as the outdoors, never mind the people, was freaking me out. I spoke to the guy at the counter and my voice came out of my ears and was distorted in such a way that he had trouble understanding me, as it's hard to speak when you can't hear your own self right. Then, I handed him the wrong change (he was honest...).

I was on and off that one 4-5 times in 7 years anyway, so obviously there was something I didn't like about it. Each and every time I'd go back on it only in periods of desperation, and for a while it would be better than how things were, but then the side-effects would start to outweigh the positives -- what's more I think the theriputic effect lessened at the same time.

Well at least now I can bury that med in my mind; I'm no longer tolerant to it.

A lot of people keep suggesting Lexapro to me but I can't take that one -- I can't SSRI's. I can take Wellbutrin but that's only available in the US -- in antidepressant format.

I've heard it said that it's often times the case that antidepressants and BPD don't mix well together. That's obviously not true in all cases; what it means at the very least is those with BPD who can tolerate them are blessed, and I'm glad they can take them. They should seriously be putting more reseach into developing more novel antidepressants, but SSRI's sell the best and that's why they keep churning out those, and one once novel med, Effoxor, the first SSNRI become a widely popular commercial success so then came Cymbalta, then Pristiq. It isn't about helping people, they aren't in it for philanthropy.

Think about this: All of those life saving, life enhancing medications out there were created in the name of --if not pure greed-- business. Sterile, no? Many work fine and dandy for some, but they are only worried in it helping you so you'll buy their product and make them money.

I'm going to sign off on this one now before I start citing Marx or something...

Apocallcaps wrote:I'm getting that freak-out feeling, the one people on here have come on and described as they kept taking the med even though they were freaking, feeling nuts and and their limbs felt like they were burning (like mine are beginning too) as their doctors said "you're still adjusting to it, give it time", problem is, give it too much time and not only gets worse but stays with you for a week or more afterwards. I've been there many a time.

I just took a walk to the corner store and realized whilst out "oh $#%^, I'm going to have to fast walk it" as the outdoors, never mind the people, was freaking me out. I spoke to the guy at the counter and my voice came out of my ears and was distorted in such a way that he had trouble understanding me, as it's hard to speak when you can't hear your own self right. Then, I handed him the wrong change (he was honest...).

that doesn't sound good.

Apocallcaps wrote:I've heard it said that it's often times the case that antidepressants and BPD don't mix well together. That's obviously not true in all cases; what it means at the very least is those with BPD who can tolerate them are blessed, and I'm glad they can take them. They should seriously be putting more reseach into developing more novel antidepressants, but SSRI's sell the best and that's why they keep churning out those, and one once novel med, Effoxor, the first SSNRI become a widely popular commercial success so then came Cymbalta, then Pristiq. It isn't about helping people, they aren't in it for philanthropy.

Think about this: All of those life saving, life enhancing medications out there were created in the name of --if not pure greed-- business. Sterile, no? Many work fine and dandy for some, but they are only worried in it helping you so you'll buy their product and make them money.

If you ask me, unfortunately i would say mostly true.

Apocallcaps wrote:I'm going to sign off on this one now before I start citing Marx or something...

I don't know much about medicine - I'm no doctor, I just like playing doctor from time to time. However, my guess would be that SSRI's, which (you're right) are used to combat depression, aren't as effective for us because our moods aren't constant. Yes, sometimes we are depressed, but sometimes we're elated, sometimes we're angry; we run the gamut of emotions, and SSRI's just aren't made to deal with all of that.

At least, that's my theory. Mine and Peter Falk's - he agrees with me. Well, he did, anyway. And really, if Columbo said it's true, then it must be.

Apocallcaps wrote:I'm going to sign off on this one now before I start citing Marx or something...

"Behind every successful man is a woman, behind her is his wife."
"I'm not feeling very well - I need a doctor immediately. Ring the nearest golf course."
"No man goes before his time - unless the boss leaves early."

...what, wrong Marx?

JohnnyBlaze wrote:I don't know much about medicine - I'm no doctor, I just like playing doctor from time to time. However, my guess would be that SSRI's, which (you're right) are used to combat depression, aren't as effective for us because our moods aren't constant. Yes, sometimes we are depressed, but sometimes we're elated, sometimes we're angry; we run the gamut of emotions, and SSRI's just aren't made to deal with all of that.

At least, that's my theory. Mine and Peter Falk's - he agrees with me. Well, he did, anyway. And really, if Columbo said it's true, then it must be.

That makes a lot of sense about my going off and on, antidepressants whereas I have been more than happy to take Lamictal for 7 years running; or any decent mood-stabilizer, for that matter. I'd go on them when I was feeling extremely depression, or unbearably empty -- as I said, in desperation. That would go away though, and it would pass on its own in a way that had nothing to do with the antidepressant, the antidepressant just got, and kept me out of the particularly strong bout of depression/emptiness/dissociative state I was in. When those pass naturally, I was left on something which simply annoyed me but I was kinda 'stuck' on due to the hell of coming off it.

I'm just in a bad situation at the moment as I've lost a lot of coverage, and the only two things I can get on-label are lithium or Valproex ###$ that. There's no telling if they'd even work, but I do know the side-effects are hell. I believe there only are a few of the anti-anticonvulsants actually indicated, and studied as doing something for BPD. And as I stated in a previous post I have been on antipsychotics and they worked, but I began showing the early stages of TD, so it's now on my charts that I'm never to be prescribed those--and I'm all too happy it is!

JohnnyBlaze wrote:"Behind every successful man is a woman, behind her is his wife."
"I'm not feeling very well - I need a doctor immediately. Ring the nearest golf course."
"No man goes before his time - unless the boss leaves early."

...what, wrong Marx?

Positively nothing, that's why I may have started citing him

I know what hell it is to change medicines.

I would not mind at all if everyone on here quoted Marx. It would make quite a fun place to be.

Also, I truly hope that you're having a better day. I'm sending *hugs* from the US...

AMP

MissAli wrote:I know what hell it is to change medicines.

I would not mind at all if everyone on here quoted Marx. It would make quite a fun place to be.

Also, I truly hope that you're having a better day. I'm sending *hugs* from the US...

AMP

I am today, yes, thank you. I dodged the bullet soon enough--which, through experiance, I've become quite skilled at. I can't afford to get into a prolonged state where I practically can't leave my home, you know? I've struggling, working and running around just to make certain I keep the roof over my head and my utilities all payed up. Thanks for the hugs by the way...

As far as Marx, I actually have quoted him here before. Since these are amongst my favorite words from him --and since they relate to what I said-- I'll do so again, just for you! That's the kinda guy I am.

"Under capitalism, everything in nature and everything that human beings are and can do becomes an object: a resource for, or an obstacle, to the expansion of production, the development of technology, the growth of markets, and the circulation of money. For those who manage and live from capital, nothing has value of its own. Mountain streams, clean air, human lives -- all mean nothing in themselves, but are valuable only if they can be used to turn a profit. If capital looks at (not into) the human face, it sees there only eyes through which brand names and advertising can enter and mouths that can demand and consume food, drink, and tobacco products. If human faces express needs, then either products can be manufactured to meet, or seem to meet, those needs, or else, if the needs are incompatible with the growth of capital, then the faces expressing them must be unrepresented or silenced." - Karl Marx

Oh, and I'll throw this one in here as it rings true for me as well; this is something he said after he saw the ideology that was growing in his name: "One thing is for certain: I'm not a Marxist" - Karl Marx

I'm more a social-democrat these days out of practicality. But, ideologically I'm a social-democrat/democratic-socialist hybrid. I'm libertarian, too, so work that one out. When a lot of people, especially from the states, hear socialism they think Communism. ###$ Communism.

(one thing I do when I get buzzed is spew my politics around .. I've been told it's normal,.. and dangerous, supposedly, idc)