by Skog » Tue Oct 21, 2008 9:24 pm
Avoidants v. Narcissists
Asuka, I also thought that was a very interesting analysis/comparison. For discussion purposes (I don't claim to know what's right), I would like to challenge a couple of things, though.
I think some of the statements have as a premise that it is incorrect or not normal to measure one's self against how others perceive you. I understand that it is good to be happy with one's self, but unless one is a hermit, a person living in society has some level of interaction with others in families, schools, jobs, commerce, etc. and how one is perceived by others is a legitimate measure of being a successful part of that society. Receiving reinforcement that others perceive you as a successful member of that society would seem to make one happier than being unsuccessful. So, I think it is normal and natural to want others to perceive you favorably and to be looking for signs as to whether they are or are not perceiving you favorably.
"Avoidants and Narcissists are both extremely self-absorbed and are obsessed with how they are judged by other people."
OK - it's the obsessed part that I guess should be emphasized. Shouldn't every one care how they are judged by others? It's learning not to obsess over it that is important, isn't it?
"Also both Narcissists and Avoidants are quite selfish."
How are they selfish? If the conclusion is just because they care how they are perceived, then I disagree. Your recognition that Avoidants are empathetic, I think, contradicts this conclusion. Avoidants care about how they are perceived and they care about others, too. I don't think that makes them selfish.
"Avoidants and Narcissists depend on how others perceive them to give their lives meaning."
I stated my premise above. I think all people, except hermits, depend on how others perceive them. It's the obsessing and the inability to correctly interpret what they monitor that causes problems for Avoidants.