Atheism vs Religion

Hm... I'd say I know that I know nothing, so in a way agnostics are right, you can't prove there is or is not a god. Still, science heavily points into the direction of there is no god, and this gives me subjective certainty. So I say I don't believe in god, which is my subjective truth, althought paradoxically, from an intellectual point of view I acknowledge that there could be god, against all likelihood of what scientific discoveries imply to us.

And yes, my orthodox friend is pantheistic. I think he has a very unique set of philosophic persuasions tough.

Kivulitaronyu wrote:Still, science heavily points into the direction of there is no god, and this gives me subjective certainty.

Science can only measure what exists in reality, so unless God is floating around the Universe somewhere, we'll never be able to prove or disprove his existence.

My God is better than your God.

I hope it's not terrible I'm posting much later than when this post went up.

Unsocial Butterfly you and me had the same upbringing. I was raised Christian. Went to church, sunday school, bible school, after school youth group, and leadership training seminars. My belief in God was traumatizing. If God loves us so much why did he allow Satan to affect a rebellion on Heaven which would create Hell that God then damns Man to eternal Hellfire?

Talk about the age of innocence: ok so let's be liberal here and say 10, you are innocent until you are 10, and then you get leukemia and die. According to Baptist religion you are going to burn in Hell forever and ever.

I thought I could never be free, because religion was a part of my life, but one day I sat up and said, "F&$% this S*&^! I'm tired of agonizing and being upset all the time! There is no God!" And I was happier after that. More at peace having let that go.

Why do people choose to believe in God? Well what do we want more than anything? To be loved and accepted unconditionally. For some people that's what believing in God does for them. I can't blame them for wanting to be loved. But I can't stand hypocrisy and religion in rife with it.

"I'm a Christian so I'm special. God loves me. God wants me to be rich. God speaks to me. I deserve nice things because I go to church. God doesn't want women to get abortions but nevermind that I had one because I'm saved now."

There are true Christians in this world. And I love them. I would be a Unitarian in we had a church near me.

Personally I think reincarnation is what happens. I don't think anything ever stops it just gets recycled. Think of your atoms. When you die your atoms do not decay, they do not turn to dust, they do not disappear. They change a few electrons and go on their way.

This doesn't answer the question of whether or not there is a God, but it does provide some compelling evidence towards a couple of things. One, that there is something beyond the brain that exists outside the body (such as a soul), and two, that there is some rather compelling evidence to suggest that reincarnation might be real.

I'm still a skeptic because I can still find some reasons to disbelieve, but the fact that what appears to be a very legitimate source has this sort of evidence.

There was also a case on a National Geographic special on whether there is life after death, and they disproved a lot of fallacies so they were actually very much on the side of skeptical.

However, there was one case that stood out because it could not be explained. There was a man who died while undergoing open heart surgery and he said while he was clinically dead, he floated over his body and saw himself being worked on. The surgeon had an unusual habit of putting his hands up and pointing with his elbows when he wasn't actually performing surgery. This was his way of keeping his hands sterile. No other surgeons did that, it was not standard practice, the man being operated on did not know the surgeon and even if he had woken up, there was something in the way between his head and where he was being worked on, so there is no way he could have actually seen the surgeon work on him. After being revived, the man mentioned this habit the surgeon had, thereby providing evidence that something, his soul or whatever had disconnected from his physical body and been cognizant during the time he had died.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0AtTM9hgCDw

I don't believe an out-of-body experience has anything to do with the afterlife.

I believe human beings have the capability to do so much more. Our minds have incredible powers.

We can read minds, predict the future, move objects, endure intense pain, perform feats of super human strength, time travel, and disconnect with our bodies (to name a few).

I think maybe I don't believe in God because religion teaches learned helplessness. It teaches the followers that they are weak and cannot do anything for themselves and only through the strength of an all-knowing creator can they find happiness.

We don't need to believe in God because we can believe in ourselves. We have untapped power inside of us. They call it blasphemy I call it the future.

You want to know who created us? We did. We created us because we wanted to exist.