AS/ schizoid

Does anyone know the main differences between the two?

Do AS experience strong emotions, but just can't express them? Or do they rarely experience strong emotions like a schizoid?

schizoids don't wish to socialize, while AS want to, they just don't know how to?


Can you develop schizoid off of your AS?

anything else I'm forgetting please add. I'm starting to think I may be more schizoid than AS again. A lot of the things I think I've been saying may be relating more to schizoid than AS. So I'm a little confused right now. My views on emotions, attachment and human interaction seem to be more sculpted towards schizoid, but at the same time I relate with a bit of the other symptoms to AS.

zausel wrote:Does anyone know the main differences between the two?

Do AS experience strong emotions, but just can't express them? Or do they rarely experience strong emotions like a schizoid?

schizoids don't wish to socialize, while AS want to, they just don't know how to?


Can you develop schizoid off of your AS?

anything else I'm forgetting please add. I'm starting to think I may be more schizoid than AS again. A lot of the things I think I've been saying may be relating more to schizoid than AS. So I'm a little confused right now. My views on emotions, attachment and human interaction seem to be more sculpted towards schizoid, but at the same time I relate with a bit of the other symptoms to AS.

Yes the main difference is level of interest in people. For example I want to have normal relationships with people but it's so much work that I choose to avoid it. The schizoid person would have no desire at all to interact with people.

Hard to answer.
I think the only constant things would be lack of desire to socialize, and no impairment in social functioning the way someone with autism spectrum often has (they can understand body language and cues, but may still wonder why people feel the need to behave a certain way). It's easy to see how the two are hard to distinguish.

They may or may not have strong emotions, and they may or may not have difficulty expressing them.

hmm. so could you be a schizoid AS? Ever since I became homeless my emotions, attachments, human interactions have started to become more schizoid, but I've still been able to relate to most everything else AS.

Meaning I used to want to be around people, desired socializing, but since then my desire has slowly turned into a "meh, I don't really want to go around people, I just want to do my own thing. Could almost not care if I never saw another human again.". I used to care just a little bit about peoples emotions etc, now I've started to notice I just don't give a hoot about peoples emotions or attachments. If your hurt you hurt yourself, it wasn't me.

It's been changing for me, and it's a bit confusing to me.

zausel wrote:Does anyone know the main differences between the two?

I think the main differences are desire for social interaction and level of social impairment. I´d imagine a "typical" schizoid to be capable of reading social cues and communicating smoothly but that they simply do not want to or don´t understand the point of it, while someone with AS may want to socialise but does not know how or is very clumsy doing it.

It probably comes down to what caused your difficulty though. In an aspie´s case it is their brain´s wiring, in a schizoid´s case (if they have social impairment at all), it is probably due to lack of "practise". They may have been unable to pick up "normal" social behaviour in the environment they grew up in (no role models, for example) or have poor social skills because they are unexperienced (due to withdrawl from people).

Can you develop schizoid off of your AS?

If you look at PDs as psychological coping mechanisms (I think petrossa said otherwise though), I don´t see why someone with AS would not be able to develope a PD or traits thereof as long as there is something to cope with.

I'm starting to think I may be more schizoid than AS again. A lot of the things I think I've been saying may be relating more to schizoid than AS.

When you say "again", has your, well, attitude or whatever you´d like to call it changed more than once? If so, any obvious reasons as for why this may have happened?

Your views on feelings and attachment do sound schizoid. You may want to check out the DSM criteria. I think both AS as well as schizoid PD will be removed in the future (not sure), but for your own clarity it may still be helpful.

Camelidae wrote:

zausel wrote:Does anyone know the main differences between the two?

I think the main differences are desire for social interaction and level of social impairment. I´d imagine a "typical" schizoid to be capable of reading social cues and communicating smoothly but that they simply do not want to or don´t understand the point of it, while someone with AS may want to socialise but does not know how or is very clumsy doing it.

It probably comes down to what caused your difficulty though. In an aspie´s case it is their brain´s wiring, in a schizoid´s case (if they have social impairment at all), it is probably due to lack of "practise". They may have been unable to pick up "normal" social behaviour in the environment they grew up in (no role models, for example) or have poor social skills because they are unexperienced (due to withdrawl from people).

Can you develop schizoid off of your AS?

If you look at PDs as psychological coping mechanisms (I think petrossa said otherwise though), I don´t see why someone with AS would not be able to develope a PD or traits thereof as long as there is something to cope with.

I'm starting to think I may be more schizoid than AS again. A lot of the things I think I've been saying may be relating more to schizoid than AS.

When you say "again", has your, well, attitude or whatever you´d like to call it changed more than once? If so, any obvious reasons as for why this may have happened?

Your views on feelings and attachment do sound schizoid. You may want to check out the DSM criteria. I think both AS as well as schizoid PD will be removed in the future (not sure), but for your own clarity it may still be helpful.

I orginally thought I was more schizoid, but at the time I still had a reservation, and thought I was more AS. Now that reservation seems to no longer exist.

What are you going to do with that knowledge? It does not change anything about who you are. If anything, it changes the way you see yourself.

Out of curiosity, for how long have you felt this way, at a stretch?

edit. Just thinking: Weren´t you pretty pissed/enraged about some court-related stuff not too long ago? Talking about flat affect?

Schizoid is the same thing as schizophrenia, isn't it? (I hate to show my ignorance.) Petrossa often talked about how the brain abnormalities are quite similar (between autism/aspergers and schizophrenia) and how they sometimes occur in the same families, and I know someone with a family like that too. It stuck in my mind because I used to have a girlfriend who was diagnosed schizophrenic.

I thought one of the main and most important differences was, schizophrenics hear voices.

Camelidae wrote:What are you going to do with that knowledge? It does not change anything about who you are. If anything, it changes the way you see yourself.

Out of curiosity, for how long have you felt this way, at a stretch?

edit. Just thinking: Weren´t you pretty pissed/enraged about some court-related stuff not too long ago? Talking about flat affect?

ya, it just changes how I see myself, bout it. It's mostly for knowledge sake though. I have nothing else to do, might as well learn some stuff.

lets see, before I was homeless I liked being around people. Didn't have the best conversation skills, but I still liked being around people. After I became homeless I started to avoid people, spend minimal time around people. I would sleep at my friends apartment but I was always off by myself playing pool or on a computer alone. I would probably spend at least 5-7 hours a day playing pool against myself. the rest of the day I would be at the computer lab just surfing around. Didn't feel like dealing with people, didn't want to be around them, just wanted to do my own thing. Then I went to jail, got out and my I kinda had a little more desire to be around people. But as of about 4-5 weeks ago that desire slipped away gradually until I noticed it yesterday.

I don't think it would necessarily be flat affect, more like blunted affect.

Ya that's what gets me. 9/10 I usually don't have much a response to the situation, but every once in a while I will get pissed off. It's either pissed off, a mild chuckle or nothing. Haven't laughed my ass off since I was like 9. Not much variety. I guess early childhood to about 16ish I would get depressed or dissociated( not entirely sure which one it was that happened) also, but that has dropped out and it doesnt happen anymore. So now it's just pissed off every once in a while, mild chuckle or no discernible reaction.

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PonderThis wrote:Schizoid is the same thing as schizophrenia, isn't it? (I hate to show my ignorance.) Petrossa often talked about how the brain abnormalities are quite similar (between autism/aspergers and schizophrenia) and how they sometimes occur in the same families, and I know someone with a family like that too. It stuck in my mind because I used to have a girlfriend who was diagnosed schizophrenic.

I thought one of the main and most important differences was, schizophrenics hear voices.

I think they are in a similar family, but schizoids don't hear voices like ya said. schizoid and schizophrenic are different though.

The question may be irrelevant to you, but I´m going to ask anyway (my online-attachment forces me, so to speak): Can we still be friends?