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Postby davey132 » Fri Jul 09, 2010 11:53 pm

Aspergers syndrome destined to be likely to lose in life? I feel like 'living' is something that NTs are just programmed to do they just roll from one thing to the next like water off a ducks back. I will give an analogy I just thought up. In a fight one guy says to the other, ''ok, I am gonna come at you like this..." In life it doesn't work like that you cannot plan for everything. I think a charcteristic of AS is to prepare for something so you know what to expect. Think about it, thats a limitation right? another characteristic of AS, I believe, is to like to have something to compare something to (ok, maybe I am making this 'link' on my own?) The problem I have is I don't know how stuff workz for NTs so I have nothing to compair to so I can't weigh it up because a person only has 1 perspective, duh. So yeah, that deep mechanism to 'live' by knowing what to expect is flaw in life, I think. Another example, aliens beam down and we have never seen heard of aliens do you A) freeze and poop your pants, B) ignore them and get on with your day as if they were not there
C)Shoot at them
Heh no of course this example does no work as we all know what aliens are (well in theory). But in life we constantly encounter new situations and I guess that is what could cause us a problem, maybe thats why I have been doing the same thing for the last 8 years.
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Re: destined to lose

Postby Shiroi Tora » Sat Jul 10, 2010 2:03 am

I say Aspies are destined to SUCCEED in their chosen interest. You may not do well in new situations..you are not generalists per say...you are, however, great specialists. Concentrate on your strengths...your capability to focus on your particular interest. Your ability to outwork all those around you BECAUSE of your intense interests is unmatched.

What you need to do is to find that particular passion...find a way to make it marketable...either in a preexisting job...or one you create, allow yourself to become a master at it..as your passions in it shall drive you to do...You can live a blessed life...One that is filled with your passion while making a good living at it.
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Re: destined to lose

Postby Chucky » Sat Jul 10, 2010 7:59 pm

davey132 wrote:I think a charcteristic of AS is to prepare for something so you know what to expect. Think about it, thats a limitation right?

I have recognised - for the past couple of years - that this is a useful thing to do. Having Asperger's invariably means that the unknown is scary, and many of use cower/shy away from such unknowns. If we embrace them and set time aside to study them, howevr, we will feel more at ease.

Good response by Shiroi Tora. That's the way of thinking i try to instill in others.

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Re: destined to lose

Postby petrossa » Sun Jul 11, 2010 6:57 am

NT are the vestiges of no longer useful mechanisms but not yet evolved away. In the good old days being social was the determining factor in survival and procreation. A social outcast, nowadays one still sees this happening amongst other mammals, has no change of reproduction and a much smaller change of survival.

For homo sapiens this mechanism has become a hindrance. It causes hardship in the form of territorial issues (wars), social issues (making way to many offspring) and religious issues (war, destruction, torture, inequality)

For homo sapiens to survive it needs to get this out of their system. It serves no purpose anymore, just like the appendix , the vestiges of gills, the tail etc.

Imo AS are just as much capable of 'succeeding' as anyone else. Not more and not less. For every AS genius there are lots of AS normals. They have the same general mix of characters to go somewhere and those that don't as anyone else.

Having a particular gift for something doesn't mean you are/have to succeed in that. If you don't like your 'gift' why pursue it?
Pursuit of happiness is just that. Doing what gives you the most satisfaction which isn't necessarily equal to utilizing a gift which maybe very good in someone else's eyes but doesn't fullfil you as much as following another.

There is this dutch wonderchild (adult by now) who was a mathematical genius. He liked piano playing more so he plays piano now. Perhaps he could have been a famous scientist but he didn't care for that
There's only two things I hate in this world. People who are intolerant of other people's cultures and the Dutch.
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Re: destined to lose

Postby 13243546 » Tue Jul 13, 2010 9:53 am

I don't think people with AS are destined to lose at all. It depends very much on what kind of support one gets growing up though. There were a few things in my life which have made success very very difficult.
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Re: destined to lose

Postby FredOak3 » Tue Jul 13, 2010 4:32 pm

And I think as we become more attuned to working the NT "rules" we become much more adaptive.
We are processing these "rules" from a logical point of view and as such can often bend them to our will rather than a NT who does it as reflex.

I think there is a lot more thought behind any of our actions and often gives us an advantage.
I take what petrossa said to mean we need to become adaptive to what works for us, what makes us comfortable, despite what the world at large may think.
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Re: destined to lose

Postby petrossa » Tue Jul 13, 2010 4:40 pm

FredOak3 wrote:And I think as we become more attuned to working the NT "rules" we become much more adaptive.
We are processing these "rules" from a logical point of view and as such can often bend them to our will rather than a NT who does it as reflex.

I think there is a lot more thought behind any of our actions and often gives us an advantage.
I take what petrossa said to mean we need to become adaptive to what works for us, what makes us comfortable, despite what the world at large may think.


Yep, exactly. Freed from the constraints of NT "rules" we have much freedom. Also to F'up completely ofcourse. AS doesn't make us more or less likely to do the 'right' thing at the 'right' time, it just gives a broader spectrum of choices.
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