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Re: Wtf is up with people and dying?

Postby wooster » Sat Aug 04, 2012 9:26 pm

crystal_richardson_ wrote:I don't know why people have such a hard time 'processing' the infinite. I already view myself as living in infinite time. I believe universe, for example, has always existed and will always exist. The so-called 'origin' of the universe is really just the beginning of a different form of the universe, and prior to that it was a difference form and so on.

The universe, as does all the matter (including us) in it, just transforms continuously, taking different shapes and properties. But everything has and will always exist.

Thus death, is just another transformation. Currently, we represent a 'living' state of matter (we humans call it) and soon we will transition to a nonliving state of matter, where our consciousness will cease to exist. We will become the ground we walk on - lifeless, inanimate, etc

in other words, I basically believe I am already dead. Consciousness is not a significant enough differentiating feature of me that I disidentify with the lifeless matter around me. I identify with the matter around me, which is infinite. Therefore I am infinite now - living and with consciousness - although these ladder features of my existence are not, but they are not significant in my opinion.

if you cease to regard consciousness as significant, and identify with the matter around, and accept its infinite existence, then you will not fear death or have trouble processing the infinite and your place in it any longer.

:)

You didn't get what I meant by "processing", Crys. *Logically* I *know* perfectly well what's the deal with the universe & whatnot - in fact the time / space infinity is the only thing what makes absolute sense. It's just that my brain cannot conjure up a mental image of infinity. That's what I meant by 'processing'.
Finite constructs like the human brain process things by 'measuring' them, and you can't measure the immeasurable (infinite).
(And my place in it all doesn't particularly bother me.. :P )
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Re: Wtf is up with people and dying?

Postby Fallen_Angel73 » Sat Aug 04, 2012 9:53 pm

History Mirror wrote:Giving $ to someone just for pointing a gun at me seems really stupid.

History Mirror wrote:Anyone with fear, trying to lose it.. is a moron.

Therefore, all people who have fear are, unlike you, stupid.

Bravo.
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Re: Wtf is up with people and dying?

Postby History Mirror » Sat Aug 04, 2012 10:02 pm

anagram wrote:
History Mirror wrote:Giving $ to someone just for pointing a gun at me seems really stupid.

History Mirror wrote:Anyone with fear, trying to lose it.. is a moron.

Therefore, all people who have fear are, unlike you, stupid.

Bravo.


Not quite little flower.

Giving away $ because someone says they are going to kill you, well.. you deserve none of your $. That is an opinion. It can also just be a sign of a weak person. Even with fear, you can still stand up for yourself if you are "Strong minded". The idea of this seems stupid to me. Why? because I can't comprehend it.

Those that have fear but try to kill it off because they view at as weak, are stupid.
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Re: Wtf is up with people and dying?

Postby Fallen_Angel73 » Sat Aug 04, 2012 10:09 pm

History Mirror wrote:Why? because I can't comprehend it.

Okay, makes more sense now.

It's simple as that. People are different. Just as there's no point in trying to lose your fear if it's instinctive, there's also no point in trying to understand something that is, and will always remain, completely alien to you.

So you either stick to logic or you just accept it and move on.
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Re: Wtf is up with people and dying?

Postby History Mirror » Sat Aug 04, 2012 10:11 pm

Ha. I've never been scolded for asking questions.

Does someone not like hostility?

Who the ###$ are you anyway?

Your picture makes me think you love oral.
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Re: Wtf is up with people and dying?

Postby Fallen_Angel73 » Sat Aug 04, 2012 10:16 pm

History Mirror wrote:Your picture makes me think you love oral.

:oops:

Caught me off guard.
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Re: Wtf is up with people and dying?

Postby History Mirror » Sat Aug 04, 2012 10:21 pm

anagram wrote:
History Mirror wrote:Your picture makes me think you love oral.

:oops:

Caught me off guard.



No such thing.
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Re: Wtf is up with people and dying?

Postby wooster » Sat Aug 04, 2012 10:24 pm

Fear itself isn't a problem (in fact, fearlessness is a handicap), but the propensity of being paralyzed by it is.
Of course there are many scenarios when the only obvious course of action to take is throwing your wallet at the mugger and run, but you can't analyze & judge the situation properly (and quickly!) if you let yourself overwhelmed by panic. Even if it's gunpoint, there's always a good chance that you can talk/bluff your way out at least momentarily until an opportunity arises (a passerby or sudden traffic, etc.)
Of course a lot depends on the area / location, but no mugger would want a manslaughter added to their record.
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Re: Wtf is up with people and dying?

Postby History Mirror » Sat Aug 04, 2012 10:27 pm

wooster wrote:Fear itself isn't a problem (in fact, fearlessness is a handicap), but the propensity of being paralyzed by it is.
Of course there are many scenarios when the only obvious course of action to take is throwing your wallet at the mugger and run, but you can't analyze & judge the situation properly (and quickly!) if you let yourself overwhelmed by panic. Even if it's gunpoint, there's always a good chance that you can talk/bluff your way out at least momentarily until an opportunity arises (a passerby or sudden traffic, etc.)
Of course a lot depends on the area / location, but no mugger would want a manslaughter added to their record.


Wooster gets it.

Lacking fear if anything is a defect. It can be used though.

My initial question was just.. i suppose is it honestly JUST an instintual thing? /shrug.
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Re: Wtf is up with people and dying?

Postby wooster » Sat Aug 04, 2012 10:47 pm

History Mirror wrote:Those that have fear but try to kill it off because they view at as weak, are stupid.
Phobias are not exactly fears (a lot more irrational), but they're as instinctive as it gets. I had very bad acrophobia ever since i was small, which I haven't lost yet but it kicks in about a good 40 yards higher since I started to climb every available rockface & wall in my teens, in an attempt to get rid of it. I will never kill it, but as a result I'm an extremely good, adept & flexible climber (physical abilities) below 50 yards :roll: , when the phobia kicks in (mental handicap) and I turn to quivering jelly.
Also i had an irrational fear of driving a car until i finally tried and learnt it (in my 30s :oops: ) - turned out I'm quite a driver (of the reckless, racy type.) Would've never found it out, had i given in to the fear.
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